“Jewish National Home “

There is a massive difference between a home and a state. The mandate for Palestine went out of its way to exclude the phrase Jewish state. Everybody recognized the spiritual connection the Jewish people had with Palestine. The concept of the national home was to enshrine citizenship rights for those Jews that met the criteria. It would be a sanctuary for them , free from the persecution and discrimination they suffered in Europe. Even the twelfth Zionist Congress in 1921 accepted the notion of a Palestinian state in which Jew and Arab lived side by side and co-operated to build their common home. But your modern day Zionists go out of their way to cover that one up.

“Shame on you for rubbishing a narrative”

You can quote the Torah or the Bible as much as you like, but they are not historical works. The Middle East is probably the most archaeologically studied region in the world. All that tangible evidence rubbishes the grand narratives of the Exodus, David and Solomon. There is no difference between you, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Ayatollah's henchmen. None of you accept hard evidence that counters your fundamentalist zealotry.

#Anti Colonial

You misleadingly state:
"A Palestinian Jew is no different from a Palestinian Christian, a Palestinian Moslem, or a Palestinian of any other denomination.

That is not what the PLO Charter says:
"The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian."

Arabs - get it? No Jews - which to a Jew-hater like you is music to your ears.

Why do you continually try to pull the wool over OLO readers eyes by making false and unsubstantiated claims?

#Anti Colonial

You state:
"There is a massive difference between a home and a state. The mandate for Palestine went out of its way to exclude the phrase Jewish state"

Your view is contradicted by this extract from the Peel Commission Report (pages 33 - 34)

"This definition of the National Home {in the White Paper} has been sometimes taken to preclude the establishment of a Jewish State. But, though the phraseology was clearly intended to conciliate, as far as might be, Arab antagonism to the National Home, there is nothing in it to prohibit the ultimate establishment of a Jewish State, and Mr. Churchill himself has told us in evidence that no such prohibition was intended. This view was naturally shared by the Zionist Organisation, whose Executive, after examining the Statement of Policy, declared that “ the activities of the Zionist Organisation will be conducted in conformity with the policy therein set forth “. One reason why no public allusion to a State was made in 1922 was the same reason why no such allusion had been made in 1917. The National Home was still no more than an experiment. Some 16,000 Jews had entered Palestine in I920 and 1921. The Arab population was about 600,000. It would be a very long time, it seemed, before the Jews could become a majority in the country. Indeed, as late as 1926, a leading Zionist stated that there was ” still little prospect of the Arabs being overtaken in a numerical sense within a measurable period of time ”.* It was not till the great rise in the volume of Jewish immigration in the last few years, that the prospect of a Jewish State came within the horizon. In 1922 it lay far beyond it."

There are many more of your deceptions and lies I can correct - but why waste my time with someone like you whose Jew-hatred is so intense that you want to see the Jewish State wiped off the face of the map no matter how many lies you are prepared to tell to achieve that goal.

"......There are many more of your deceptions and lies I can correct - but why waste my time with someone like you whose Jew-hatred is so intense that you want to see the Jewish State wiped off the face of the map no matter how many lies you are prepared to tell to achieve that goal."

Still stuck in a racist rant mode then David.

I'll have fun with your use of the PLO charter and the Peel Commission later.

You are the only person continually try to pull the wool over OLO readers eyes by making false and unsubstantiated or deliberately misleading claims.

Your continued pathetic attempt to slander me as a Jew-hater cannot and will not hide the fact that you keep running away from the roots of and attitudes towards modern Zionism by historians and Jews.

Anybody with a computer can check the facts and discover that the historical consensus considers Theodor Herzl as the founder of Zionism in the late 1800's. It doesn't take a genius to work out that such a movement would provide a groundswell of support given what the Jews had to endure across Europe; the likes of persecution, ghettos, and the Pale of Settlement. Is your failure to acknowledge any of this nothing more than a symptom of your Zionist fundamentalism that refuses to accept the initial welcome given to Jews by Arabs fleeing such conditions?

Equally it's not hard to find Rabbis and other Jewish scholars and organizations that are against both Zionism and Israel. But you cannot call them Jew-haters can you David, because they are Jews. Slandering me David, merely proves your woeful ineptitude as an historian. Keep up your rants David because they do far more than I could ever do to expose your articles as nothing more than Zionist propaganda.

#Anti Colonial

I thought I made my position clear:

1. You have been peddling unsubstantiated lies that I have debunked:
(i) "A Palestinian Jew is no different from a Palestinian Christian, a Palestinian Moslem, or a Palestinian of any other denomination"
(ii) "There is a massive difference between a home and a state. The mandate for Palestine went out of its way to exclude the phrase Jewish state."
(iii) "Anybody with a computer can check the facts and discover that the historical consensus considers Theodor Herzl as the founder of Zionism in the late 1800's"

2. You have denigrated Jews and sought to delegitimise their beliefs:
(i) "You can quote the Torah or the Bible as much as you like, but they are not historical works. The Middle East is probably the most archaeologically studied region in the world. All that tangible evidence rubbishes the grand narratives of the Exodus, David and Solomon."
(ii) "Historians long ago dispelled the notion that Moses was real."
(iii) " We know also that many of the Jews that arrived in this period, moved of their own free will onto America. Seems they couldn't leave “home” fast enough, the almighty dollar obviously more appealing than their own almighty.! Zionism was nothing more than a grubby power / land grab justified by a perverse abuse of Judaism."

Take your Jew-hatred somewhere else. There are plenty of sites that will welcome you with open arms and readily swallow and give you as much space as you want to peddle your lies.

You are not going to be tolerated here.

Part one

Singer talks of deceptions and lies, so let's start with the Peel Commission report. I will mention too, the King-Crane Commission of 1919, the 12th Zionist Congress held in Carlsbad in 1921 and Churchill's White Paper of 1922. I urge anyone interested in the real history of Palestine to read them and independent summaries of them.

The Peel Commission was a 1936 British Royal Commission investigating the unrest in Palestine following a six month general strike. The report came out in 1937. It's conclusion was that the League of Nations Mandate was now unworkable and that, for the first time, it recommended partitioning Palestine. This demonstrates very, very clearly that the Mandate viewed Palestine as a single entity, one nation, a nation called Palestine.

As I've stated previously, the Zionists viewed it also as a single entity at the 1919 Paris peace talks, an entity that they hoped would develop into a Jewish commonwealth. The map they produced to support their claim included the whole of Palestine and parts of modern day Lebanon and Syria. That sort of vision not only had the non-Jewish population of Palestine worried, it concerned the Americans too.

Woodrow Wilson wanted a boots on ground fact finding mission to gauge how the local people perceived what independence would look like. It was his way of demonstrating to the world that the League of Nations mandates were about self-determination not colonial imposition. Neither France nor Britain wanted anything to do with it. So two Americans King and Crane, were left to fulfill the mission. Reading the King-Crane's 5th recommendation in full it is understandable how they reached this conclusion -

“In view of all these considerations, and with a deep sense of sympathy for the Jewish cause, the Commissioners feel bound to recommend that only a greatly reduced Zionist program be attempted, and even that, only very gradually initiated. This would have to mean that Jewish immigration should be definitely limited, and that the project for making Palestine distinctly a Jewish commonwealth should be given up.