"Don't take my word for it because every Israeli leader from Ben-Gurion to Rabat have said they would do the same if they were Palestinian."

Whoops!

Morocco on the brain, should read Barak not Rabat.

#Anti-Colonial

You badly fail your own history test.

Your errors include:.

1."When did the Zionist movement take off? The late 1800's"

Wrong - the Zionist movement has been continuously taking off for thousands of years. Judaism's ancient central prayer recited three times a day states:

"Sound the great shofar for our freedom; raise a banner to gather our exiles, and bring us together from the four corners of the earth into our land. Blessed are You L-rd, who gathers the dispersed of His people Israel."

2. "With the Ottomans in control there was no talk of a Jewish state,"

The Ottomans were in control for 400 years. There was also no talk of a Palestinian Arab State.

3."So tell me David where in the world in the twentieth century has any leader given up a large percentage of the land of their people to a minority group, the majority of whom are recent immigrants?"

The Palestinian Arabs - after bitter opposition and violence -secured their own homeland in 78% of Palestine under article 25 of the 1922 Mandate for Palestine. After more violence they were offered - and rejected - an even greater share in 1937 by the Peel Commission and the 1947 UN Partition Plan. They did nothing to secure a second Arab State - in addition to Jordan - between 1948 to 1967. They have rejected Israeli offers to increase that share in 2000/1 and 2008.

"Compromise" is not a word known to their rejectionist leaders as Jewish leaders resiled from their demands to try and reach an accord.

4. "Then you can tell me what gives the Jewish people the right to reconstitute an ANCIENT nation by dispossessing the native inhabitants of their right to a forge a new nation as was happening throughout Eastern Europe."

(i) The League of Nations in unanimously endorsing the terms of the Mandate for Palestine
(ii) article 80 of the UN Charter
(iii) the right of self defence against ongoing Arab violence and attempts to murder Jews who legally arrived to settle in Palestine starting from 1920 and still continuing today.

"Wrong - the Zionist movement has been continuously taking off for thousands of years. Judaism's ancient central prayer recited three times a day states...."

We both know the historical consensus considers Theodor Herzl as the founder of Zionism in the late 1800's. As we also know that there are plenty of rabbis that do not equate that ancient prayer with Zionism, nor do they equate Judaism with Zionism. Since neither of us have the theological background to debate that stance, I'll deal with the real evidence. Over a thousand times every year for thousands of years Jews recited a prayer that effectively called them “home”. They migrated across Arabia, (hardly surprising given their shared ancestral DNA, more of that later). They migrated across Europe. Seems like they wanted to go everywhere but home. As we've seen previously they doubled their numbers in the latter years of the Ottomans without major incident and without a Jewish state. We know also that many of the Jews that arrived in this period, moved of their own free will onto America. Seems they couldn't leave “home” fast enough, the almighty dollar obviously more appealing than their own almighty.! Zionism was nothing more than a grubby power / land grab justified by a perverse abuse of Judaism.

“.....Palestinian Arab”

“Palestinian Arab” encapsulates the perversity of this conflict. Historians long ago dispelled the notion that Moses was real. There was no invasion of Canaan by the “Chosen people” because the Canaanites were the very people that helped formulate Judaism. Judaism was nothing more than a religion drawing on various mythologies that were doing the rounds in the Middle East during ancient times. The DNA from the region shows all Palestinians of all religions and that includes Judaism, have all got shared ancestral DNA. A Palestinian Jew is no different from a Palestinian Christian, a Palestinian Moslem, or a Palestinian of any other denomination. Whilst European Jews have traces of European DNA, they share ancestral DNA with the Palestinians. It's perverse that we have Zionist supremacists “othering” their very own ancestral kinsfolk. Instead of a Nazi Jew denying his heritage to hold on to a privileged position in the Third Reich, we have Zionist supremacists denying their shared heritage with the Palestinians to claim EXCLUSIVITY over the land.

“....arrived to settle in Palestine starting from 1920 and still continuing today.”

You know full well why it started from 1920. At the 1919 Paris Peace talks the Zionists didn't simply request a part of Palestine. They requested all of it, plus some of Lebanon and Syria too. So the Palestinians went from a supposed independence agreement as per McMahon-Hussein in 1915, to being ratted on by the British and French with their Sykes Picot agreement. This was further compounded by the deal done by Balfour with the Zionists. So the Palestinians did what many oppressed people have done throughout history, they enacted their right of self-defence against foreign invaders wanting to steal their land. And we both know that the Palestinians had every right not to trust anything the Zionists said or any agreements that they signed.

Thank you for acknowledging that the UN reconstituted an ANCIENT nation and dispossessed the native inhabitants of their right to forge a new nation. That act alone shattered article 1.2 of the UN on the right to self-determination.

#Anti Colonial

You should have completed my quote:
"Sound the great shofar for our freedom; raise a banner to gather our exiles, and bring us together from the four corners of the earth into our land. Blessed are You L-rd, who gathers the dispersed of His people Israel."

Was the existence of this ancient prayer too much for you to even cut and paste? Would repeating it reinforce what I had stated?

As you continue to display your ignorance - think about the sanctuary cities that are now the flavour of the month in America.

They originate in the Jewish Bible : Numbers 35:9-34

"The cities of refuge were sanctuaries to which those who accidentally killed another could flee. There were six of them located throughout Israel, three on each side of the Jordan River".

http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/9094/Sanctuary-City.htm

Shock horror - there were three such cities in the West Bank and three in Jordan - with Jews living there back in Biblical days.

Your true colours as a rabid Jew-hater shine through with this following comment:
"Seems they couldn't leave “home” fast enough, the almighty dollar obviously more appealing than their own almighty.! Zionism was nothing more than a grubby power / land grab justified by a perverse abuse of Judaism."

Jew-hatred runs deep and you appear to suffer badly from that disease.

51 member nations were spot on when they spoke of the "reconstitution of the Jewish National Home" in 1922.

The PLO, Hamas and previous Arab leaders have rejected this idea and the very Bible even their prophet Mohammed acknowledges.

Shame on you for rubbishing a narrative that was written long before the political machinations of the 19th and 20th centuries.

BTW - Next Monday night Jews all around the world will utter the words "Next Year in Jerusalem " at their Seder table ( as they have done for centuries).

Ever wondered why PLO never called for Jerusalem to be the capital of a Palestinian state any time between 1948 and 1967 when it could have been created with the stroke of an Arab League pen?

“Jew-hater”

A pathetic, though highly predictable, Zionist response. Rather than respond to the argument, you run away mouthing vitriol. What are all the Rabbis and Jews that do not equate your prayer or your religion with Zionism? What about all the Rabbis and Jews that do not believe in the state of Israel? Are they all Jew-haters too? I've had many Jewish acquaintances and some Jewish friends and even if our arguments got heated, they would never descend into racist rants. That's because at the core of all our discussions was justice, something Zionists know little about.

“the almighty dollar “

It's called satire David, as it has been apparent throughout this discussion that you have refused to acknowledge the role of European persecution in the creation of the Zionist movement. You have refused to acknowledge the harmony between the European Jewish refugees and Palestinians near the end of the Ottoman era. Who could blame any Jew for wanting to travel to Palestine to escape the persecution in Europe. Who could blame any Jew for wanting to travel on to America when they realized their economic future looked bleak in Palestine. The Jews escaping Europe persecution was no Exodus. It was no Pilgrims on the Mayflower or Mormons in a wagon train. It was refugees seeking asylum plain and simple and it was the Palestinians who gave them sanctuary.