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A final thought on 2016 Australian warming : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 14/3/2017

So any ‘average’ for Australia ignores two different and consistent temperature patterns.

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ant,

I asked you various questions about nutrient and algae and you have ducked most if not all.
Apparently you are not so qualified or experienced to answer.

As to your view, absolutely most of the household etc cooking and heating fires have been replaced by either clean gas or clean coal burning.

Warmisters would do well to study major media news about delectricity generatioin that shows images of industrial chimneys belching black smoke at sugar mills. Note the stairs winding around and up the steel sugar mill smokestack/s.

ant, you religiously-like obsessed warmister people often fail to understand there is no CO2 from nuclear power and electricity power generations stations that have installed smoke filtering equipment. Modern aircraft and cars have similar technology.

Try not to forget all the kerosene lamps no longer used, and that kerosene now being used for aircraft.
And most cars have anti pollution technology.

Warmisters are apparently not wanting to think where all their sewage goes and impact it has.
Think, for ever action there is reaction.

It's a pity at the end of 2016 and even now into 2017 there are still obsessed people ignoring the sediment transportation system that is also transporting dissolved sewage nutrient overload pollution that is feeding algae smothering the Great Barrier Reef.

Is anybody denying the scientific evidence of that Australian east coast northerly flowing sediment transport current, that flows into GBR ecosystem waters and the Arafura Sea?

http://www.jcronline.org/doi/abs/10.2112/08-1120.1?code=cerf-site

Ego, obsession, greed or just sheer belief in whatever is touted by major media, seems why Australia is going backwards. Not forward.
Posted by JF Aus, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 8:40:37 AM
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The Dunning -Kruger effect is alive and well.
The definition is:

"Broadly speaking, the Dunning-Kruger Effect is defined as “a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability to recognize their [own] ineptitude.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-macaray/the-dunningkruger-effect_b_4476166.html

Another version:

"The Dunning-Kruger effect, named after David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University, occurs where people fail to adequately assess their level of competence — or specifically, their incompetence — at a task and thus consider themselves much more competent than everyone else. This lack of awareness is attributed to their lower level of competence robbing them of the ability to critically analyse their performance, leading to a significant overestimate of themselves."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

The Dunning- Kruger effect applies to lay persons suggesting greater knowledge than a group of professionals who have worked a lifetime in their field after having obtained a PhD; and then, being told they are wrong. The Professionals are told they are wrong based on opinion by their lay person critics; critique of vacinations is an example, another is climate change.
Posted by ant, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 11:21:51 AM
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I wonder if rejecting what experts day about the Holocene temperature record another example of Dunning-Kruger?

For a different perspective on the experts with PhD's:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/03/20/americans-reject-experts-failure-history-glenn-reynolds-column/99381952/

JF Aus,

I'm finding you writing and links on the GBR rather revealing. While I was aware that there was some issues with sedimentation as regards the GBR, I wasn't aware how far the problem extends.

The real problem is that, if there really is an existential threat to the GBR, and we go barking up the wrong tree by attributing all the problems to the wrong cause (CO2) then the problems become greater. By the time the real causes and solutions are recognised, it may be too late or at least the damage becomes much more severe than it need be. There are more than a few examples of exactly that type of problem in the relatively recent past, particularly in the medical sciences.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 12:18:41 PM
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mhaze,

Exactly.

And here is a link to provide more evidence.
http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/abstracts/pdf/2002/annual/short/ndx_43867.pdf

I add this.
The energy in the current that transports the sand to Fraser Island cannot just disappear. That flow cannot just stop. The water flowing north has to go somewhere. It does not go out to sea because it would be noticeable passing across the East Australian Current.

The heavy sand/sediment sinks down over the edge of the Continental Shelf, as the above abstract states.
However the energy and flow of that alongshore fresher-water current with bonded nutrient continues northward into the GBR lagoon.
And that flow and that nutrient load is not measured and assessed in GBRMPA and GBR coral associated science.

From my untrained point of view of medical science and similarity, I think during about the late 1980's medical and other science became separated into specific fields, to the point there is now a shortage of expertise in general practice of medicine.

In the ocean environment, for example, I see sediment dispersal experts with virtually no qualification in fish biology, and vice versa. I see coral experts with no knowledge of nutrient.
Then there are politicians who don't want to know about anything because as one has told me, the media is not interested and therefore is is politically untenable for politicians to deal with the matter.

So, too bad for the GBR and the associated national tourism drawcard, too bad for island people dependent on essential protein food staple from the sea, too bad for coastal economies and the amateur fishing tourism industry.

I appreciate your post there, mhaze.
I just hope Don Aitkin and others have similar comprehension.

ATTENTION: Don Aitkin.
Posted by JF Aus, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 1:20:28 PM
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"I wonder if rejecting what experts day about the Holocene temperature record another example of Dunning-Kruger?"

or...
I wonder if rejecting what experts say about the Holocene temperature record is another example of Dunning-Kruger?

my dyslexic fingers...
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 3:14:25 PM
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No worry mhaze, your power of reasoning is not affected.
Posted by JF Aus, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 4:23:14 PM
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