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Why has the state government ignored key recommendation from own DV taskforce? : Comments

By Cassandra Pullos, published 17/2/2017

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk's reported remarks urging parties demanding new measures for DV offenders to first discuss the issue, seems to ignore her Government's own DV taskforce recommendations of 2015.

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I've still got this need to challenge the idea that men are always 100% to blame.

I think about the number of kids being raised by single mums, the predominance of women teachers at schools and the high rates of bullying at schools.
Where are these kids learning bullying if men aren't in their lives?
Where do they get it?

Is it learned behavior or are they just frustrated kids who's percieved needs are not being met hence acting out?
Feeling hurt and in response hurting others?

I think about the mothers who kill their kids;
A woman drives her kids into a lake;
Another drowns a child while her other child watches on;
Another mum killed her 4 yo and then herself yesterday;

These women aren't stable.

How do we know the kids that grow up to beat women weren't mistreated by them as kids?
How do we know women arent themselves contributing to the problem they later complain about?

I don't want to hassle women, really I don't.
Raising numerous kids on their own can't easy.

But this thing is far from being black and white and I truly think we have a long way to go before we get it totally figured out.
On this issue I'm afraid that scratching the surface with 'blame' is as much hindrance as help.

There was a comment I heard during a documentary on Autism I watched the other night.
"The reason they become aggressive and dangerous in some cases is because they have no ability to communicate.
If you were not able to express your needs your wants your desires your happiness and so on you would become aggressive."

That got me thinking...
I really wonder how many relationships descend into a downward spiral; a power struggle, simply because one or both parties lack the words or wisdom to communicate themselves adequately?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 10:09:11 PM
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Here's another one.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/imam-told-mum-her-toddler-was-possessed-by-evil-spirit-before-alleged-murder-20170315-guyqzg.html
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 6:19:45 PM
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Ok, lets go back to this and compare the laws:

"When someone is in court defending a charge of assault, non-physical provocation is disallowed as a plea of mitigation."

We'll use another case of a mother killing her child.
Sofina Nikat in the killing of her daughter Sanaya; she deliberately took her child to the local creek, suffocated her and threw her in and then said an African stole her baby, starting a manhunt based on her lies.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-15/killing-of-toddler-sanaya-sahib-appears-infanticide-court-told/8355238

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca195882/s6.html

A couple of points to make.
Firstly the wikipedia entry says that women are statistically more likely to kill their children.
I'm not sure it's right to assume, but it would seem to be a reasonable assumption that women may in fact physically discipline their kids more than fathers.
I'd like to see some good statistics on this to know if women's parenting is in any way contributing to the issue of DV through the way in which they raise their kids.

And secondly, why are men not allowed a partial defense for DV if women are allowed to have a partial defense for murdering their kids?
Maximum Imprisonment 5yrs

(Once again, I'm not trying to defend the perpetrators, just contrasting ways laws apply differently for men and women.)

Also note:
"You don’t have to make physical contact with someone to be charged with a violence-related offense.
Placing a person in fear that you will be violent towards them can also be an offense, including:
Threatening to harm someone
Being physically intimidating, such as standing over someone.
It does not matter whether you intend to harm the other person or not, as long as you intend them to believe that you will."

-emphasis- 'intend them to believe you will'

Now back to bullying and where does it come from?
- How many single mums act physically intimidating towards their kids, such as standing over them?
The exact thing considered to be DV.
How do we know these men committing DV didn't learn that behavior from their own mums?
Not saying they do but it's still a valid question.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 16 March 2017 5:50:40 AM
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Don't try to tell me women never do anything wrong, or that they would never try to mess with they boyfriends when their needs aren't being met.

Woman Threatens to Lie and Say Boyfriend Beats Her
http://youtu.be/Igw0_5z6pj0?t=15s

Woman Bashes Herself and Blames Ex-Fiance
http://youtu.be/YPQCOtA8adM

Woman Sexually Assaults Man Then Falsely Accuses Him of Raping Her
http://youtu.be/JDgc1n8E3P8

"Open The Door or I'll Kill Myself!" Crazy Girlfriend Breaks Door and Wont Leave
http://youtu.be/Lx5vqvr_BZc

Woman Puts On An Act After Trying To Get Her Husband Killed
http://youtu.be/-DxMO9DcT3Y
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 19 March 2017 10:07:39 PM
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Four in a row from AC ducking commitment to any proposals on putting a STOP, this side of doomsday, to those who actually commit DV. It would be interesting to learn what he proposes and how long he wants the victims to have to wait, starting today, before they are freed of a life of bashing.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Sunday, 19 March 2017 10:28:31 PM
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