Foxy,

It is difficult to argue against facts:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/gfc-stimulus-harmed-economy-report-says/news-story/b9fe23ae1e512d3e2befe64c56fffc19

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/school-billions-miss-their-target-in-rush-to-spend-rudd-stimulus-money-20100214-nzkp.html

Foxy, yes it is a shame that the political class do not understand the
relationship of energy vs growth.
Some greens seem to understand it but they seem powerless to shift
the green energy policies into realistic areas and seem to be locked
into the myth of solar and wind being all that is needed.
Nuclear is of course beyond the pale.
In all the cofuffle about energy when you ask the question then
what will we use when the sun sets and the wind doe not blow ?
The greens inevitably waffle.

We need a real decision to be made because we have already run out of time.

Foxy cont:
Here is an example of the promotion of solar as the answer to all our problems.

http://tinyurl.com/gqk4wg5

It is true that solar electricity is cheap, but that is only if you not
take into costs that they are only working 33% of the day and you have
to have something capable of carrying the total load for the rest of
the day, such as a fleet of coal fired or nuclear power stations.

Until the political classes accept that we will have increasing
difficulties with our electricity supply.

Dear Shadow Minister,

If you agree that it is difficult to argue against
facts why do you persist in doing it.

Dear Bazz,

I fully agree with what you've posted.

Foxy,

You have yet to present any.

Personally I think there is no "Energy crisis" there is any amount available and China and India will be ramping it up for all they are worth. This will keep the CO2 increasing nicely.
We have two problems. The first are the fools who want to destroy our country by throwing us into a recession and the second is the dishonesty of the media reporting.
The ABC's Chris Uhlman said tonight the answer is "A price on carbon". Aha a tax will fix it? If it was not so serious it would be laughable.
I agree with Bazz though we are reaching the end of growth here. I think debt will overwhelm us. Read some history. What happened to France when it started fiat money. Things went from absolutely fabulous darling to Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! The resultant recession went on for approx 100 years.
My prayers are with you all and as I have been atheist since I was five you can see where I am coming from.