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Australian climate change policy isn't working : Comments
By Peter Schrader, published 18/1/2017The scare-mongering and wedge-politics around climate change policy needs to end. It has gone on too long.
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Posted by Bazz, Monday, 23 January 2017 10:53:09 PM
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Do the math! We're 'allowed' to burn 565 gigatons (2 degrees), but...
"It was highlighted last summer by the Carbon Tracker Initiative, a team of London financial analysts and environmentalists who published a report in an effort to educate investors about the possible risks that climate change poses to their stock portfolios. The number describes the amount of carbon already contained in the proven coal and oil and gas reserves of the fossil-fuel companies, and the countries (think Venezuela or Kuwait) that act like fossil-fuel companies. In short, it's the fossil fuel we're currently planning to burn. And the key point is that this new number – 2,795 – is higher than 565. Five times higher. The Carbon Tracker Initiative – led by James Leaton, an environmentalist who served as an adviser at the accounting giant PricewaterhouseCoopers – combed through proprietary databases to figure out how much oil, gas and coal the world's major energy companies hold in reserve. The numbers aren't perfect – they don't fully reflect the recent surge in unconventional energy sources like shale gas, and they don't accurately reflect coal reserves, which are subject to less stringent reporting requirements than oil and gas.But for the biggest companies, the figures are quite exact: If you burned everything in the inventories of Russia's Lukoil and America's ExxonMobil, for instance, which lead the list of oil and gas companies, each would release more than 40 gigatons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Which is exactly why this new number, 2,795 gigatons, is such a big deal. Think of two degrees Celsius as the legal drinking limit – equivalent to the 0.08 blood-alcohol level below which you might get away with driving home. The 565 gigatons is how many drinks you could have and still stay below that limit – the six beers, say, you might consume in an evening. And the 2,795 gigatons? That's the three 12-packs the fossil-fuel industry has on the table, already opened and ready to pour." http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719 Posted by Max Green, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 7:04:41 AM
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You know, I think this clown Max Green actually believes the garbage he is spruiking here.
Usually the people who push this rubbish know very well what rubbish it is, but use it to try to achieve a result. This bloke appears dumb enough to actually believe his crap. Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 10:17:44 AM
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Hasbeen, on your side: tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists and nut jobs.
On my side: 1. 97% OF THE OPINIONS THAT MATTER https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#/media/File:Cook_et_al._(2016)_Studies_consensus.jpg Every National Academy of Science and credible private scientific institution on the planet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change 2. THE DEMONSTRABLE LAWS OF PHYSICS OF CO2, see:- * Mythbusters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRd5GT0v0I * The candle demonstration at 90 seconds in. Candle demonstration goes for a minute only. http://climatecrocks.com/2009/07/25/this-years-model/ 3. THE RADIATIVE FORCING EQUATION which measures how much incoming radiation not only warms the planet, but is trapped from exiting back out to space, which is an extra 4 Hiroshima bombs per second! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_forcing 4. THE WORLD’S TOP 4 TEMPERATURE DATABASES NASA http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/03/01/february_2016_s_shocking_global_warming_temperature_record.html http://climate.nasa.gov/ WORLD METEOROLOGICAL ASSOCIATION “Geneva, 21 July 2016 (WMO) _ Global temperatures for the first six months of this year shattered yet more records, and mean that 2016 is on track to be the world’s hottest year on record.” http://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/global-climate-breaks-new-records-january-june-2016 THE MET OFFICE http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/monitoring/climate/surface-temperature NOAA http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/ 5. DRY LANDS GETTING DRYER, WET AREAS GETTING WETTER https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120521104631.htm https://www.ncas.ac.uk/index.php/en/climate-science-highlights/463-wet-regions-getting-wetter-dry-regions-drier-as-planet-warms 6. THE OCEANS GETTING WARMER, SHRINKING ICE SHEETS, GLACIERS RETREATING, ACIDIC OCEANS, DECREASED SNOW COVER, AND SEA LEVEL RISE. http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ Posted by Max Green, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 1:50:11 PM
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Max, you even got that 97% of opinions wrong.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 2:21:20 PM
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Bazz,
You didn't do the math, did you? Stop trying to change the topic and deal with the data. "It was highlighted last summer by the Carbon Tracker Initiative, a team of London financial analysts and environmentalists who published a report in an effort to educate investors about the possible risks that climate change poses to their stock portfolios. The number describes the amount of carbon already contained in the proven coal and oil and gas reserves of the fossil-fuel companies, and the countries (think Venezuela or Kuwait) that act like fossil-fuel companies. In short, it's the fossil fuel we're currently planning to burn. And the key point is that this new number – 2,795 – is higher than 565. Five times higher. The Carbon Tracker Initiative – led by James Leaton, an environmentalist who served as an adviser at the accounting giant PricewaterhouseCoopers – combed through proprietary databases to figure out how much oil, gas and coal the world's major energy companies hold in reserve. The numbers aren't perfect – they don't fully reflect the recent surge in unconventional energy sources like shale gas, and they don't accurately reflect coal reserves, which are subject to less stringent reporting requirements than oil and gas.But for the biggest companies, the figures are quite exact: If you burned everything in the inventories of Russia's Lukoil and America's ExxonMobil, for instance, which lead the list of oil and gas companies, each would release more than 40 gigatons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Which is exactly why this new number, 2,795 gigatons, is such a big deal. Think of two degrees Celsius as the legal drinking limit – equivalent to the 0.08 blood-alcohol level below which you might get away with driving home. The 565 gigatons is how many drinks you could have and still stay below that limit – the six beers, say, you might consume in an evening. And the 2,795 gigatons? That's the three 12-packs the fossil-fuel industry has on the table, already opened and ready to pour." http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719 Posted by Max Green, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 8:48:28 PM
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That means 80% of the fossil fuels on the books of companies today should never be mined!
I think Max you are confusing reserves with economically accessible reserves.
I suggest you read The Upsalla Uni's Global Energy Group's paper on
that very problem and their IPCCs plot of a fourth projection.
It is below the IPCC's three other projections.
I am sure they can give you better and later info than I am able.