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Trump: 'Close the open hand out of love' : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 16/1/2017

Do not give Netanyahu what he wants. If you do, you will rob the vast majority of Israelis and Palestinians of everything they aspire for.

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BD,

Actually the first act of war was the blockade of the gulf of Aqaba by Egypt and Jordan.

The Arab states led by Nasser coordinated a massive military build up on Israel's border with the declared intention of driving Israel into the sea outnumbering the Israelis many times over.

The first blow was struck by the Arabs, the Israelis had no intention of waiting for a second.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 19 January 2017 4:20:28 AM
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Stop trying to re-write history to suit your arguments Shadow, the Israelis struck first, and made an excuse to justify it.

So let's correct your post ....

"The capture of the west bank occurred only during a war started by Israel against the Arabs in 1967."

Their objective is now clear, they wanted the West Bank to settle the extremists, to pacify them.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/07/04/israels-attack-on-egypt-in-june-67-was-not-preemptive/
Posted by Billyd, Thursday, 19 January 2017 9:22:51 PM
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"Yitzhak Rabin, who would later become Prime Minister, told Le Monde the year following the ’67 war, “I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent to the Sinai, on May 14, would not have been sufficient to start an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.”

Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin acknowledged in a speech in 1982 that its war on Egypt in 1956 was a war of “choice” and that, “In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/07/04/israels-attack-on-egypt-in-june-67-was-not-preemptive/
Posted by Billyd, Thursday, 19 January 2017 10:17:55 PM
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BD,

What a pile of rubbish, where did you find this fake news site?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSCryr_WkeY

Watch this documentary then comment.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 20 January 2017 5:17:18 AM
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Israel attacked first, FACT. You can make all the pre-emptive excuses you like, they attacked first. Read the declassified CIA papers, read Begin's biography, read the 1982 reports of his speech.

"After 1957, Israel had to wait 10 full years for its flag to fly again over that liberated portion of the homeland. In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him. Wars With No Alternative

This was a war of self-defence in the noblest sense of the term. The Government of National Unity then established decided unanimously: we will take the initiative and attack the enemy, drive him back, and thus assure the security of Israel and the future of the nation."

That's the FACTS, the CIA, who were deeply involved, dispute that it was pre-emptive as self defence, but whoever you believe, the Israelis struck first.

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/21/world/excerpts-from-begin-speech-at-national-defense-college.html
Posted by Billyd, Friday, 20 January 2017 4:45:42 PM
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BD,

From the same article

"The Second World War, which broke out on Sept. 1, 1939, actually began on March 7, 1936. If only France, without Britain (which had some excellent combat divisions), had attacked the aggressor, there would have remained no trace of Nazi German power and a war which, in three years, changed the whole of human history, would have been prevented."

The alternative to which Begin referred was to wait until Egypt struck which might have destroyed Israel, or at least prolonged the conflict with massive Israeli casualties.

While there was no absolute proof that Egypt, Jordan and Syria were going to attack, but there was very little doubt, and while the first military strike was made by Israel, the first Act of War was the blocking of Israel's southern sea port. And the destruction of the aggressors' air forces meant that Israel's tiny army could face the 5:1 odds

Fact: Nasser had massed roughly 14 brigades of 100 000 men, hundreds of tanks artillery etc. in Sinai on the border of Israel,
Fact: Egypt had nearly 300 front line fighters and bombers
Fact: Egypt had defense treaties with Syria and Jordan who also built up their armies on the border of Israel,
Fact: at the start, Saudi, Iraq, and other Arab countries were mobilising and sending their armies to join the Egyptians.
Fact: Initially Israel pleaded with Jordan to stay out of the war, yet Jordan began massive shelling of West Jerusalem, prompting Israel's attack of East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
Fact: Syria unprovoked shelled Israel prompting the response later in the war.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 21 January 2017 6:06:19 AM
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