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Two more books, on an important union, and on climate change : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 8/12/2016

This essay is a discussion about two books, widely different in their story. Each was given to me by its author, a friend.

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#1/ Increased plant yields And a greening planet due to increased Co2 levels, is exactly what the GREENHOUSE EFFECT is!

#2/ A solar nuclear thermal furnace in a waning (cooling) phase since the mid seventies. (NASA) doesn't produce a warmer planet, nor year on year, record upon record, average ambient temperatures!

Read more (paleontology section) books Don, particularly what the paleontology record tells what occurred around 90 millions years ago, with consequential increased Co2 levels/higher average ambient 2C.

Enough to start melting the permafrost/tundra, allowing formerly frozen methane to melt adding millions of tons to the atmosphere.

Thereby adding 3C to ambient temperatures, increased total, 5C.

According to paleontological record, enough to nearly destroy all life on planet earth?

The UK i.e., was a windswept salt laden desert, regularly swept by winds exceeding 300 kilometres PH. And where no plant life flourished?

Without which herbivores did perish and indeed the carnivores who predated them?

Moreover, current Co2 levels are reportedly, in uncharted territory?

How many more enduring droughts and record breaking heat waves, must there be, with four farmers per day suiciding at the height of our last one? Before coal funded academics grow a social conscience?

Dealing with man made climate change is just not difficult! Virtual child's play in fact!

And can be done in ways that literally forces the economy to grow quite massively! Allowing cheaper than coal thorium energy, to be applied to new, four times cheaper, deionization desalination innovation and consequent commercially viable irrigation, that makes deserts bloom and become the productive gardens of eden they could be!

Thereby allowing those embracing innovation, to be heading the queue, when the new food boom, creates massive new wealth for those positioned to take advantage! A drought proofed Australia!?

Eminently doable! All that's missing is Leadership, a different/sane policy paradigm and academics not in permenant denial!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 8 December 2016 11:51:49 AM
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An elegant read, as usual, Don.
Full marks it someone who identifies the books as having been written by friends.

The ethical standards in the daily newspapers don't offer much in the way of honesty. Everyone and their dog is flogging the last book/ new book/ forthcoming book.
Posted by Waverley, Thursday, 8 December 2016 12:29:54 PM
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' How many more enduring droughts and record breaking heat waves, must there be, with four farmers per day suiciding at the height of our last one? Before coal funded academics grow a social conscience?'

how many more idiotic conclusions can those prescribing to the warming religion come up with. Yeah if we don't groom kids with ' safe' schools kids will commit suicide, if we don't legislate euthenasia people will kill themselves, if we don't approve ' gay' marriage people will kill themselves, if Trump wins we will all move to Canada

thankfully any thinking person can see through this nonsense. Just maybe the price hikes and financial stress caused by the alarmist/renewable charlatons could contribute more to people toppoing themselves. Just maybe the confused messages being sent to kids by insecure adults might be contributing to suicide.

I am so glad my father in law who farmed virgin land, brought up kids in harsh times did not having idiots planting such nonsense in his head every time their was a drought or flood of which their has always been many of in this country.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 8 December 2016 12:51:53 PM
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Runner: Pray tell, WTF has safe schools to do with grooming kids?

And what of any of the aforementioned, got to do with man made climate change?

WTF is wrong with you?

Forgot to take the meds again did we?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 8 December 2016 2:58:46 PM
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for Alan B.,

My understanding is that carbon dioxide increases follow temperature increases, according to Vostok ice cores. I think that the last million years is a more useful time period than much earlier eras, if only because the data are so spotty and so varied the earlier we go.
Posted by Don Aitkin, Thursday, 8 December 2016 8:53:31 PM
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For Professor Don Akin; I have to admit to being an avid lapsed book lover, and quite regularly consumed two volumes a day, replete with comprehensive understanding.

Even so I managed to mangle a few words, like placebo, which I managed to amuse a few fellow medical students, by pronouncing it as place bo, rather than the correct plas see bo. And for me reading was literally my sanity saving escape from my then current reality!

My understanding of a solar thermal furnace in waning phase? Normally accompanied by a mini ice age?

And this particular phase, now seems to be at the bottom of a short cycle, given the current diminution of (spotty) sunspot solar activity? Are you able to spot the difference?

Perhaps you could also explain why close near solar neighbor Venus is the hottest planet in our solar system?

Why there seems to be no summer ice, for the first time in living memory, off the Alaskan coast, and why are there hundreds of brand spanking new summer lakes belching methane, where there was once permanently frozen permafrost or tundra!?

If the reputable promulgated science conflicts with your published view, you can always run true to form and just dismiss it, explaining as you do so, that the information was spotty or just "too old" to be relevant!

Latter day Professors majoring in hard won paleontology, turning in their graves!

All that aside, what is your principle problem with accepting change away from old King coal, that comes with a truly massive economic upside? And just on an undismissable irrefutable economic rationale?

An economic conflict of interest perhaps? Squim, wriggle, spin as you will? Just don't expect respect!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 9 December 2016 9:12:57 AM
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runner - I liked the statistic about four farmers a day suiciding at the height of the last drought. If you're going to make up a figure don't do it by halves..

In any case, droughts and floods are governed by cycles that are not really connected with greenhouse theory - or at least scientists don't seem to know how they are connected - such as PDO, ENSO, and the SAO?? (not sure of the names, now).. in WA its the Indian dipole. Then there are minor cycles.. on the east cost there is a distinct, irregular cycle keyed to stuff that happens in Bass Strait.. I'd leave droughts out of it..
Posted by curmudgeonathome, Friday, 9 December 2016 9:54:22 AM
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curmudgeonathome

just sick of many lefties (secularist) using the pathetic excuse that if you don't agree with me people will commit suicide. The stark reality is that many of the leftie dogmas has contributed far more to suicide than conservatives hurting the very fragile feelings of the lefties. Suicide is tragic just like aboriginal dysfunction. The reality is that lefites have contributed more to both than any other cause I can think of.
Posted by runner, Friday, 9 December 2016 10:23:30 AM
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Once again Runner displays his biassed fascist-tainted ignorance.

The main causes of suicide are -
Mental illness
Traumatic experience
Bullying
Personality Disorders
Substance Abuse/Addiction
Eating Disorders
Unemployment
Social Isolation
Relationship problems
Genetics
Philosophical desire/existentialist crisis
Terminal illness
Chronic Pain
Financial problems

Historically the numbers of suicides seems to increase when there is a conservative government in power because they typically cut support funding for assistance and create additional financial stress in society.
As far as youth suicide rates go, some of the items above also relate to religiously-based bullying, discrimination and sexual abuse.

For someone who pretends to be devoutly religious he's supremely judgemental, intolerant and driven by a hate fuelled from a distorted view of the real world and never displays any genuine compassion.

When you're just a hammer, everthing else looks like a nail.
Posted by rache, Friday, 9 December 2016 11:05:44 AM
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rache

your distortions show exactly why the most common causes of suicide will never be addressed by leftist dogma. Keep up the mantra and watch suicide rates increase.
Posted by runner, Friday, 9 December 2016 2:45:38 PM
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You denialist's are unreal! "False. There has not been a linear relationship between carbon dioxide and temperature levels since 1860, as there have been 70 years of pauses in slightly over 150 years. Therefore, there is not a linear relationship at all." D'uh! The climatologists KNOW about various 'pauses' and what caused them! (Global dimming anyone?) Instead of reading retarded dogmatic anti-science denialists, did your for ONE MOMENT consider contacting, I don't know, say, an ACTUAL CLIMATOLOGIST? No? Prefer the echo-chamber much?

So much for academia. We really do live in a post-truth world where even 'academics' such as this author prefer echo-chambers, and sheer arrogance and pomposity apparently empowers them to diss an entire scientific discipline from third-hand information! Good job. If this were a high school science project, it would probably be failed just on the lack of credible bibliography, so say nothing of due diligence in research!
Posted by Max Green, Friday, 9 December 2016 6:56:29 PM
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