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Can we survive the 21st Centry? : Comments

By Julian Cribb, published 2/11/2016

Our belief in non-material things like money, politics, religion and the human narrative often diverts and undermines our efforts to work together for survival.

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Leo's post serves the useful purpose of informing us what a heap of garbage Leon's posts are.
Otherwise the post is a waste of resources.
Get a labouring job, Leo, and stop posting - you will annoy less people.

(You're an internet troll with no useful information in your post. It's just outright attention seeking behaviour. Turn off your computer, go outside, and make some friends. You'll live longer.)
Posted by Max Green, Thursday, 3 November 2016 10:25:39 AM
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The school dunce’s posts usually demonstrate his lack of science.
This one demonstrates his lack of originality.
His imitation of my post demonstrates his futile striving to emulate my style.
Give it up Max, you have made a big enough fool of yourself.
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 3 November 2016 11:18:19 AM
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I'm just glad people like you are (mostly) content to rant your "armchair-expert" garbage out on the internet and have no real power in the real world. This particular article has many excellent suggestions that will help us as a society navigate through the many REAL challenges we face ahead. Sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "There's no place like home" as you tap your ruby slippers together is not only magical thinking, but immature and loses you credibility points. Anything you say is just so much white noise as a result. My last post was no more than swatting at an annoying mosquito, nothing more. If you have nothing an adult might contribute to the discussion, then just buzz off.
Posted by Max Green, Thursday, 3 November 2016 12:56:56 PM
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Ever since humans became human and could 'imagine' the future we've been predicting our ultimate demise. Pretty much every religion has its end-of-days finale.

Of coarse, when real catastrophes (plague, famine, etc) were ever present threats, our fore-fathers had to look to the Gods for even worse scenarios. Now that we've basically defeated those problems (famine etc) we look to other, though similar reasons to satisfy our need for belief in the end-of-days.

And so we end up with the likes of Cribb who takes every conceivable catastrophe and treats it as though its a certainty unless we mend our evil ways. Mr Cribb would be right at home with Isiah, Daniel and Brian.

But just like every other doomsayer has been disappointed, so will Cribb.

Malthus was the first of the modern 'scientists' to opine that we were going to run out of food and he's been followed by an sad list of disciples (Ehrlich, Club of Rome) and Cribb. In essence their failed scares devolve to one 'insight' ie if population increases geometrically and food production arithmetically, presto...famine. But food production instead has been shown to increase geometrically while population growth currently increases arithmetically and will decline. We now produce more food (and have more food per capita) than ever before . Its amusing that at the very moment man's millenial struggle to defeat hunger is achieved, some continue to see disaster.

We also see the utterly unscientific claim that " Dozens of species are going extinct every day due to human activity." Even if he means 2 dozen that means over 8000 per year. Ask these dills to name even 10 extinctions from the last decade, or any decade, and you'll get silence (if you're lucky). Yet IUCN, which has every reason to gild the lily, can find less than 1000 over the past 5 centuries. Cribb even fawns over the utterly discredited Wilson who's famous 40 million extinctions turned out to be based on a spur of the moment guess.

Things might not be prefect in 2016 but its the best mankind has ever had it.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 3 November 2016 4:09:22 PM
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Mhaze,
The logical fallacy you have just used is called a Bulverism.

"You must show that a man is wrong before you start explaining why he is wrong. The modern method is to assume without discussion that he is wrong and then distract his attention from this (the only real issue) by busily explaining how he became so silly.

In the course of the last fifteen years I have found this vice so common that I have had to invent a name for it. I call it "Bulverism". Some day I am going to write the biography of its imaginary inventor, Ezekiel Bulver, whose destiny was determined at the age of five when he heard his mother say to his father — who had been maintaining that two sides of a triangle were together greater than a third — "Oh you say that because you are a man." "At that moment", E. Bulver assures us, "there flashed across my opening mind the great truth that refutation is no necessary part of argument. Assume that your opponent is wrong, and explain his error, and the world will be at your feet. Attempt to prove that he is wrong or (worse still) try to find out whether he is wrong or right, and the national dynamism of our age will thrust you to the wall." That is how Bulver became one of the makers of the Twentieth Century."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulverism
Posted by Max Green, Thursday, 3 November 2016 4:52:15 PM
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The school dunce has not noticed the absence from the article of the important challenge of dealing with fraud promoters like Max Green, whose ignorance of science results in his baseless assertion that human emissions have a measurable effect on climate. Remember the mess you were in when you tried to refer us to non-existent science, Max. You said you would go away after that, so your return shows that you are unreliable.
You have informed us what a dunce thinks of an article full of misinformation, which will be helpful to anyone who wants to be a dunce.
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 3 November 2016 5:24:01 PM
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