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Obama, Clinton and Trump dodge questions on Israel : Comments

By David Singer, published 24/10/2016

The three Presidential debates have now passed without one question being asked by any of the moderators on America's future relationship with Israel.

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To David Singer especially, asking for sources re my comments about the large number of Jewish members of the US Congress relative to their proportion of the US population: Seems about 2% are Jews. I presume from information provided on census forms.

Was a while ago I read at least one article on this stuff. Cannot now recall exactly where. Does not matter though. Try Google search for "Jewish Members of Congress" (or something similar.) I have not looked much past headlines in some of the sites that come up. However, it appears these and links and references provided contain lots more detailed info on the subject than most researchers would want.
Posted by mox, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 9:54:21 PM
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#mox

Adopting your figure of 2% " the large number of Jewish members of the US Congress relative to their proportion of the US population" is 29 instead of 11.

Of course what you fail to mention is that " the large number of Christian members of the US Congress relative to their proportion of the US population" is 491 instead of 444 based on the Christian population being 83%.

What you also fail to mention is that there is only one Republican Jew and 28 Democrat Jews in Congress and that both Houses are controlled by the Republicans and not the Democrats.

So there are 29 Jews and 491 Christians out of 535 total and only one Jew in the Party that controls both Houses of Congress.

No evidence provided by you of how many are dual nationals of US and Israel

What is the point of your raising the religious orientation of these 29 Jewish Congress members and not those of another 491 who are Christian?

Your claim that "First loyalty of them (Jews - ed) seems not be to American people they are paid to represent" is scurrilous and without any foundation.

Methinks it is another case of Jew-hatred pure and simple.

There are plenty of anonymous Jew haters drawn to my articles. Welcome to their disgraceful ranks.
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 10:27:53 AM
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"Guess you don't believe in America honouring its obligations and commitments."

LMAO You crack me up singer. HAHAHAHA
The day the septics start acting honourably is the day pigs become astronauts. Where have you been for the last fifty years?

Without US money, billions of it, israel would be just another dump in a crappy desert wasteland.
If israel is such a great country funny you dont live there singer.
Maybe that makes it a better country. ;P
Posted by mikk, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 4:53:13 PM
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To David Singer especially. Note that plenty of stuff comes up with a Google Search for "Congress members with dual citizenship." Almost certainly more important than whether they are described as Jewish, Christian or whatever. Nowadays many people who are effectively atheists or agnostics still put their own or family former religious affiliation on census forms etc.

Also note an important difference between Australian and US politics. Australia has strong major parties and weak lobbies. By comparison, in the US, the lobbies are strong and the parties relatively weak. Regarding Jewish - or rather Zionist influence in US politics. the America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) has very strong influence. Including influencing some effectively Zionist supporting but non Jewish politicians maybe more strongly than some Jewish ones including Bernie Sanders. Seems they were among individuals and organisations from US who helped the current Israeli government stay in power at the last elections. Many Jews are strongly critical of it and Zionist policies. Especially some religious orthodox ones including the Neturei Karta. see.www.nkusa.org. Especially latest stuff posted. They object to the existence of the state of Israel and also the way it abuses Palestinians.
Posted by mox, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 9:05:38 PM
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#mox

Not good enough mate.

You made the following claim:
"Note there are several time the number of federal Congress members who are Jewish compared with their proportion in the general population. Including some who are dual citizens -also of Israel."

How many of the 29 Jewish members of Congress are dual citizens of Israel?

Please also quote your source.

Put up or shut up.

Another corker by you:
"Australia has strong major parties and weak lobbies."

Your unsubstantiated comment is contradicted by John Menadue:
"Australia's capacity to tackle important public issues – such as climate change, growing inequality, tax avoidance, budget repair, an ageing population, lifting our productivity and our treatment of asylum seekers – is diminishing because of the power of vested interests, with their lobbying power to influence governments in a quite disproportionate way.

Lobbying has grown dramatically in recent years, particularly in Canberra. It now represents a serious corruption of good governance and the development of sound public policy."
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-the-rise-of-the-lobbyist-is-corrupting-australias-democracy-20150515-gh2iyw.html

#mikk

LMAO at your pathetic response and just note that you do not dispute anything in my post to you.

#mikk and #mox - you deserve each other.
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 10:32:51 PM
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Note the David Singer approach to try and discredit generalised facts I have pointed out by demanding the exact sources and other obfuscation. Checking similar stuff from different original sources using Google searches should be best. However, Singer obviously wants to discourage this because readers would then see a lot more information exposing and discrediting policies and actions of Zionists he is trying to drum up support for.

At least now, thanks to wide accessibility of alternate news sites and social media on the Internet, aspects of stories that the strongly Jewish influenced Western mainstream media is not inclined to cover can be widely circulated.
Posted by mox, Sunday, 30 October 2016 9:10:58 PM
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