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An open letter to my aboriginal compatriots : Comments
By Rodney Crisp, published 21/9/2016It is clear that our two governments and the Crown are jointly and severally responsible for all this and owe them compensation.
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Posted by Craig Minns, Sunday, 9 October 2016 11:07:48 AM
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LEGO,
Just to put our discussion into its proper perspective, this is the late and sorely missed Warren Zevon. When he sang this he had not long before been diagnosed with lung cancer and died all too soon thereafter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbhYqV17CoQ Life's too short... Posted by Craig Minns, Sunday, 9 October 2016 1:58:11 PM
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To Craig.
OK, I think I have finally worked out what you are trying to say. You are saying that monoculturalism (which you have named "homogeneity") is doomed to fail, and multiculturalism (which you call "heterogeneity") "can work well, provided there are measures in place to ameliorate the impact of rabble-rousers and would-be demagogues spreading fear and playing the politics of resentment." Sorry mate, I disagree with that premise entirely. There are five continents on planet earth and four of them you could say are "multicultural" and for the last 200 years, they have all been rent apart by very serious wars The exception was Australia. Why? Because the continent of Australia was one nation, one language, one culture and one people. The western experiment with multiculturalism has been a catastrophe. Europe is coming apart at the seams and both French and German officials are making statements about the dangers of civil war. The leaders of Germany, Spain, Britain, Austria, and Italy have all made public statements to the effect that multiculturalism has failed. I have always been amazed at how ideologues can dismiss self evident reality and continue to believe in a Quixotic ideal which is plainly leading to disaster. China is arguably "homogenous" and it is doing very well. South Korea is homogenous and it is the fourth largest economy in the world. Japan is homogenous and prosperous and they like it that way. They don't have any race riots or "no go" zones where Japanese fear to tread. No bombs, No Muslim terrorists, no ethnic crime, no demands for separatism. My prediction is that unless the Euros drive the Muslims back to whatever hell holes they have created in their own countries, Europe will fall to the Muslims. Islamic takeover is already well advanced in Sweden where everybody apparently once thought like you do. The Swedes are now reconsidering their position and realising how stupid they were. The "homogeneous" Asians will be pre-eminent in the next century because they are much more racist than white people, and they do not want a bar of multiculturalism Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 9 October 2016 6:26:05 PM
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Dear LEGO, . You certainly paint a bleak picture of humanity and its future prospects. Perhaps it’s because you are painting it in black and white. A little colour might highlight a few important nuances and would probably brighten things up a little. That said, prophets of doom can and do play a useful role in alerting to unforeseen pitfalls and dangers intrinsic in certain social developments. Happily, their doomsday prophesies have so far failed to materialise. Allow me to nuance some of the facts on which you base your prophesies: « Population growth is so alarming that the only things that can reduce our populations are the traditional factors of war, disease, and starvation » The annual growth rate reached its peak in 1963 at 2.3%. It has declined to about 1.13% in 2016 and is estimated to become less than 1% by 2020 and less than 0.5% by 2050. . « There are five continents on planet earth and four of them you could say are “multicultural” … » In fact, there are seven continents on planet earth: North America, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia and Antarctica. . « In the past seventy years we have seen civil wars, coups, or national separations in … [ you cite 40 countries commencing with Lebanon and finishing with Ukraine] … » That represents 20% of the countries in the world and less than 15% of the world population. This means that 80% of the countries and more than 85% of the world population have not experienced the civil strife you mention. . « … the continent of Australia was one nation, one language, one culture and one people » Really? Prior to British colonisation there were 250 different Aboriginal “nations” (and languages). The “gold rush” of 1850 brought migrants from China and the Pacific Islands as well as from North America, Germany, France, Poland, Italy and Hungary. In addition, the end of the White Australia policy in 1975 saw a constant flow of immigrants arrive here from around the world. (Continued ...) . Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 8:07:10 AM
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(Continued ...) . Today, Australians identify with some 300 ancestries and practise a range of religions. We speak about 300 languages including indigenous languages. After English, the most common languages spoken are Mandarin, Italian, Arabic, Cantonese and Greek. See the final paragraph on the following link: http://www.border.gov.au/about/corporate/information/fact-sheets/08abolition . « Europe will fall to the Muslims … The "homogeneous" Asians … do not want a bar of multiculturalism » What about our close neighbour, Indonesia, with its Muslim population of 262 million? Prior to the introduction of Islam, it was mostly Hindu and Buddhist. Asia is not as “homogenous” as you imagine. Languages are good indicators of different cultures: http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/asian_languages.htm . « Multiculturalism is just like Socialism … how many times does it need to fail before you can figure out it can never work? » There appears to be no consensus on the most multicultural countries in the world but I have found no evidence that socialist countries (or “lefties” as you call them) are more multicultural than non-socialist countries (or “righties”). In fact, the contrary seems to be true. James D. Fearon, professor of political science at Stanford University, rates PNG, India, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Nepal, Bhutan, Malaysia, Fiji, Canada, Switzerland, Belgium, Pakistan, Burma, Spain, USA, Laos, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Singapore and New Zealand, above Russia, for example. China ranks slightly above Australia a little further down on the list. Here is the link to Fearson’s list, commencing on page 215 of his paper on “Ethnic and Cultural Diversity by Country”: http://web.stanford.edu/group/fearon-research/cgi-bin/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Ethnic-and-Cultural-Diversity-by-Country.pdf . Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 8:23:16 AM
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Dear Rodney.
The degree to which people from ANY culture will accept people from another race, religion or culture as “one of them” depends upon many different factors. The bottom line is, that there is not a race, religion or culture on planet Earth which wishes to be destroyed or subjugated in its own claimed territory by people from another race, religion or culture. That is a cultural universal. It is not just limited to “racist” redneck white people. The degree to which any race, religion or culture will accept others depends upon 1. Prosperity. People living on the edge of starvation are not noted for their tolerance of outsiders who trespass upon their territories to help themselves to the resources which the primary group considers vital for their own communal survival. One example of that was displayed in the brilliant David Lean movie “Lawrence of Arabia” where “Howeitat” “Sherif Ali” played by Omar Sharif shot dead Lawrence’s “Hazim” guide for drinking at a “Howeitat” well. Sharif tells Lawrence. "He was nothing. The well is everything. The Hazim may not drink at our wells. He knew that." 2. The degree of difference between the cultural values of the different cultures. Where cultural differences are mutually exclusive, one culture must dominate the other. Provided that the minority culture accepts that some of their treasured cultural beliefs are considered wrong and does not attempt to practice them surreptitiously, then a high degree of acceptance can be obtained. 3. The degree to which any minority group steadfastly maintains its own cultural identity and maintains almost exclusive social connections within their own race, culture and religion, reduces the degree of acceptance and tolerance from the primary culture. 4. The group behaviour of the minority race, religion or culture is another very strong indicator of whether tolerance or acceptance can be achieved. Where members of any minority culture display vastly greater propensity towards criminal behaviour and welfare dependency than the primary culture, it is unlikely whether acceptance or tolerance can ever be obtained. continued Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 6:20:42 PM
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Ein Volk
Ein Reich
Its effects can be seen in the former Yugoslavia and more recently in Rwanda, in Mao-era China, in Kampuchea under the Khmer Rouge. It can be seen in the US, especially in States where there is significant poverty and fear has become dominant over reason.
It is the concept that everyone within a border should look and think the same and that differences cannot be tolerated.
It is always the product of lazy thinking and leads to stagnation and ultimately the death of the system that practises it.
The thing is, it's never a problem in prosperous nations where everyone is doing well, it's always the product of a dysfunctional society in which those people who aren't doing well look for things to blame for their own conditions. It's always driven by resentment and selfishness.
To the extent that States which practise it prosper, they can only do so by forceful suppression of dissent and that is a very costly thing to implement.