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An open letter to my aboriginal compatriots : Comments
By Rodney Crisp, published 21/9/2016It is clear that our two governments and the Crown are jointly and severally responsible for all this and owe them compensation.
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Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Sunday, 25 September 2016 1:18:44 PM
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Hi LEGO & AJ,
Aboriginal people are, and always have been, as intelligent as anybody else: they would have to be in such a harsh environment as Australia's, with its devastating droughts. The great tragedy which nobody much wants to mention is that they were cut off from the rest of the world so long ago by the rising of the sea-level after the Ice Age - and precisely at the time of the beginnings of agriculture, which is often taken to mean the beginnings of civilisation proper. I'm not saying those times were any great shakes anywhere - pre-modern societies everywhere have usually been pretty brutal, grossly mistreating their women, exterminating any enemies. But clearly, some survived, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Maybe Aboriginal people have actually been lucky, that - apart from their own enthusiastic exterminatory activities - they have survived to take advantage of modern life without having had to go through the hassles of witch-burning and slavery. Are they taking advantages of modern life ? I think so, AND in many cases, without the irritation of having to do something for it. If I'm wrong, we should expect more and more people, on their own land, to tell every government agency to shove welfare up its arse, and to go back to foraging. I'd like to see that. But I'm not holding my breath. You can humbug/fool/con other people but it takes real talent to do it to yourself. Cheers, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 25 September 2016 1:52:35 PM
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@L-EGO, falsely claims:
"You submit posts directly at me and when I respond you say you won't communicate with me." Readers here already know that only twice did my comments include a minor ref to/about L-EGO. 1) @LEGO: "I think that the second argument is far more credible." Hypothetical thought experiments can be fun, entertaining. Pleasant way to wile away one's time. Enjoy it. 2) @LEGOx2, spoken [like] a dinky die racial bigot. You get a C for consistency. Do you perhaps dance around in the dark wearing a white pointy hat with a full face veil too? :-) I'm curious Lego, how many blog sites, newspapers, social media sites and forums were banned from before you found a home where you belong here on OLO? 100? 200? - IMO, a well balanced aware individual would not see those as a reaching out to engage in any kind of discussion whatsoever, nor a sign of respect. Instead they would recognise both comments as being the metaphorical equivalent of an extended middle finger. Similar to pathological NPDs et al, as just mentioned, it is common to see on online forums and social media personality features presented such as: "Grandiose fantasies (megalomaniac delusions) permeate every aspect of the narcissist's personality. The Grandiosity Gap is the abyss between the narcissist's self-image and reality." Surprising still, some even imagine they can determine one's age and other factual data about another online based soley upon text pixels displayed on their own computer screen. This is a remarkable claim, more akin to declaring one self proven to be a credible 'Professional Psychic', or native 'Witch doctor' skilled in investigating the entrails of a goat to make 'logical' predictions for the tribe. - Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Sunday, 25 September 2016 2:43:34 PM
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To Whom It May Concern:
What David Leyonhjelm says to The Chasers! http://youtu.be/o2C8JbvXb2c?t=1m49s ROFL From the beginning: The Chaser pranks David Leyonhjelm by making him his own Wicked Camper http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2C8JbvXb2c Quoting David Leyonhjelm, speaking about Free Speech and 18C "We should be able to say what we think without getting into strife (or getting suspended from OLO) because someone chooses to take offense." CC Graham Young (smiling - it's a Joke) My Reference: "A joke is a display of humour in which words are used within a specific and well-defined narrative structure to make people laugh." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke - Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Sunday, 25 September 2016 3:25:34 PM
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Hi Thomas,
So that's the extent of your deliberative skills ? I suggest that you sit back, listen (or the cyber-equivalent) and learn. You might start to understand the significance and value of evidence over stance. Hi SM, On your observation that " ..... Secondly, there are plenty of records of inter tribal warfare amongst the aboriginals, and no record that their culture was continuous more than 100 years....." there are many factors which could have, and probably still are, at play which go against a long memory or accurate transmission of vast amounts of cultural knowledge. A long drought, say five years, would have forced a group to scatter to the four winds, while young children and old people died off, until the group could, if was lucky, and if it could avoid being exterminated by hostile 'neighbours', get back together. A ten-year drought ? It hardly bears thinking about. Perhaps the memories of Aboriginal old men was exceptionally precise, but there would be an inevitable gap as the old men struggled to prepare the next generation of young men before they themselves passed away. Down this way, probably in the 1880s or 1890s, one group, the Turion (modern-day surname: Campbell) 'lent' or gave their land to a closely-related neighbouring group, the Talkundjeriorn (modern surname: Sumner) and moved to Mundoo Island. Why, I don't know. Sometimes entire groups moved up to a hundred miles to a ration station and didn't return. Sometimes they did: between Angipena and Mt Serle in the Flinders, for example. And back again. Pissed off the pastoralists who had set up storerooms, I'll bet. [TBC] Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 25 September 2016 3:27:57 PM
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Amongst the Ngarrindjeri (and probably in many places), when someone died, the living not only didn't use their name again but any word which remotely sounded similar, in English OR in Ngarrindjeri. So, especially within a family group, over, say, a hundred years, many words would have changed. I was puzzled why the word for pelican was 'ngori' in the Jaralde dialect but 'mangaraiperi' in the Ramindjeri dialect, but that's probably why. One can imagine that it wouldn't take long before dialect groups were having trouble understanding each other, and growing apart, into completely different 'tribes', with no memory of a common ancestry. Perhaps every few hundred years. So common stories would have been lost, or at least modified. Even now, I get the idea that Ramindjeri people from the SA south coast don't see themselves as Ngarrindjeri. [Think: being a Queenslander or, horrors ! a Victorian, AND being Australian.] Another factor: east of the River Murray in SA, across the dry limestone country of the Tatiara, droughts would have forced them in towards the River. Perhaps it's no coincidence that, in the region east of Lake Alexandrina, the Tatiara totem was similar to that of neighbouring Ngarrindjeri family groups, dingo: perhaps the Tatiara groups were 'incorporated' over the centuries, sort of by force majeure. Other Ngarrindjeri groups feared those groups, according to the Berndts, because they had the morals and savagery of dingos, since of course they WERE dingoes in the totemic system. I would be surprised if anyone remembers their totems now, or even their clan name, except those who have religiously studied Berndt & Berndt (1993). So anybody who claims that Aboriginal society was unchanging really hasn't thought it all through. Cheers, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 25 September 2016 3:43:55 PM
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Who are Pathological Narcissists?
http://youtu.be/o7j2axIRja4?t=3m43s (Only 1m20s, or watch from the beginning)
Grandiosity refers to an unrealistic sense of superiority — a sustained view of oneself as better than others that causes the narcissist to view others with disdain or as inferior — as well as to a sense of uniqueness: the belief that few others have anything in common with oneself and that one can only be understood by a few or very special people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiosity
Self-importance is an exaggerated estimate of one's own importance or merit, especially as manifested by the conduct or manners; self-conceit. Wikisaurus: arrogance
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/self-importance
Egotism is the drive to maintain and enhance favorable views of oneself, and generally features an inflated opinion of one's personal features and importance. It often includes intellectual, physical, social and other over-estimations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egotism
Unwarranted Self-Importance is a disease that gives you the feeling that you are actually worth something despite not having made any contributions to anything at all, and actually making the world a much shittier place, thus making yourself look like a complete douche. This concept was first best introduced to civilization in the form of Socrates.
http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Unwarranted_Self-Importance
Luckily, psychologists are at work building better trolls worldwide. When somebody claims they're big deal, use this:
http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Unwarranted_Self-Importance#The_science_of_USI
Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a lack of understanding of others' feelings.
They often take advantage of the people around them on Internet Forums posting anonymously to hide their true-self.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Pathological Narcissism
The most important symptom of pathological narcissism is grandiosity. Grandiose fantasies (megalomaniac delusions) permeate every aspect of the narcissist's personality. The Grandiosity Gap is the abyss between the narcissist's self-image and reality.
http://samvak.tripod.com/narcissistpsychotic.html
Knowledge is Power: Forewarned is to be Forearmed. :-)
Famous Pathological Narcissists maybe Richard Nixon, Eddie O'Beid, Tony Abbott, Christopher Monckton, Kim Jong Il, "Bernie" Madoff, "Dick" Cheney, Netanyahu, David Singer.
More Info & Links:
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18534&page=0#330163
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7472&page=0#229970
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