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Kevin Andrews and the challenges for Australian conservatism after Hanson : Comments
By William Hill, published 21/9/2016The supporters of Hanson, Xenophon, Lambie and Katter do not feel that the present arrangements in parliament are working for them and we should not rush to dismiss them.
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Posted by JBowyer, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:24:11 AM
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What no thoughts on the substantive argument. You must be a low altitude flier.
Posted by The Third Man, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 11:05:06 AM
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The main problem is economic mismanagement. The government could ensure that enough jobs are readily available. Instead they choose to pursue a balance budget, even though that's neither achievable nor any use whatsoever.
Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 11:21:32 AM
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You mention Bob Katter right at the end.
What makes people , like you , think that Katter is a right wing conservative ? He may be slightly ,very small, c, conservative on some policies but right wing he is not ! READ his background... in simplistic terms,he is COUNTRY PARTY ( NOT The Nationals) ie Agrarian Socialist... look it up. Posted by Aspley, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 11:46:56 AM
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I can only think of one real challenge for Australian conservatives!? And that is a name change to the Australian Conservative (status quo) party! Libertarianism, dressed up as actual liberalism?
Mr Menzies was at least competent, even though opposed to change? And why would anyone in their right mind, change a template that ushered in unparalleled post war prosperity, that saw us become the third wealthiest nation on the planet and a creditor one at that! WE can be that nation again, if we emulate some of the ground rules of Mr Menzies? All our energy reticulation remained in public hands, BOLD Conservative governments borrowed like it was going out of existence to build stuff. Dams, power stations and railroads? Others who followed stupidly sold the work and sacrifice of the forbears who created it! Telecom, the commonwealth bank, numerous insurance companies and state banks! Yes sure, some absolutely asinine Labor governments treated these things as some sort of ATM they could and did raid at will? Robbing them of the essential operational capital! The reason they collapsed!? Then sold off state owned infrastructure to pay for their bumbling crisis to crisis management style, with examples like the regularly touted natural cost camouflaging the real reason for the betrayal of sacrificing forbears!? Every western style economy rests on just two support pillars, energy and capital! And the reason for the referenced golden era was that we still exclusively owned and controlled ours! And, but only if intelligently led could do so again! And a good start would be the rollout of state own nuclear power plants (Energy) as clean safe molten salt thorium reactors, which will not only supply cheap energy (a dollar a year) for the average family if intelligently formatted! But do double and highly profitable duty if used, and they could be! To safely consume (burn it don't bury it) nuclear waste imported into this country, all while earning many billions for the practise! Sadly not doable! Given Today's pollies are there, it would seem, exclusively for themselves? Rather than their fellow Australians!? Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 21 September 2016 1:18:38 PM
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The elites who own this country via the creation of money as debt,hate One Nation because it is a threat to their authority.One Nation wants to leave the UN and bring back a Govt owned bank that can create our money for growth debt free just like China does.
China has OS debt = to 4% of GDP. Aust has OS debt= to 105% of GDP. The West is owned by private central bankers who want also to own Russia and China. War beckons for these power hungry lunatics. Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 8:41:20 PM
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If people are prevented from saying what they want, they will elect people to say it for them.
http://www.essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport Muslim ban Total Labor LNP Greens Total support ,49% ,40% ,60% ,34% Total oppose ,40% ,48% ,31% ,59% Clearly significantly more Australians (incl 34% greens) want Muslim immigration stopped. Hanson in her views represents far more than a tiny right wing minority. Angela Merkel is finding this out the hard way too. After all the attacks, Muslims, rightly or wrongly are perceived as a threat, and all the silly stunts by the greens is not going to blunt the clear message sent by voters. Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 8:51:16 PM
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Shadow,realise the truth or face oblivion.Central Bankers own the West and want to own Russia and China.Their debt money creation system is on the brink of total collapse.This will not end well for anyone.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 9:46:43 PM
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Interesting how the LNP says it appears to be moving to the "centre".
"The hard right is, according to some accounts, the largest faction of the NSW Liberal Party; it is the spiritual homeland of Tony Abbott; and it is the philosophical foundation of the Sydney University Conservative Club, a member of which once admitted to sympathies with fascist philosophy, in particular the belief that the poor and the rich have their ordained, natural positions in society." From: http://honisoit.com/2013/08/smasing-the-fash-fascism-in-australia/ For many years you could read on both the Liberal and Young Liberal web sites about the connection of Wilfred Kent Hughes and his fascination with socialism and fascism. Any such references are now obliterated. "In 1933, the Melbourne Herald ran a series of articles titled “Why I have become a fascist” by Wilfrid Kent Hughes, a Victorian MP. Kent Hughes came from a well connected Melbourne family. He had been school captain at Melbourne Grammar and a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford. He went on to become deputy premier of Victoria. In the 1950s he was a minister in Menzies’ federal Liberal government." Menzies, Australia’s longest serving prime minister, was glowing in his praise of Nazi Germany. In 1938, when federal attorney general, he visited the country and enthused about the “really spiritual quality in the willingness of Germans to devote themselves to the service and well being of the state”. From: redflag.org.au/article/secret-history-fascism-australia The greatest challenges to both Labor and Liberal today, lies in convincing the electorate that their policies are distinct or different from each other. LNP = Lying Nazi Parasites...ALP = Another Liberal Party. Those Rhodes Scholars...they seem to have a penchant for the extremist views deep down don't they? Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 9:56:23 PM
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The anti-honesty element disable opposition by their prostitution of language, eloquently described by George Orwell as Newspeak.
The very term "conservative" has been hijacked as a political tool which is the very opposite to its real meaning. The Abbott metastases in the LNP describe themselves, and are mistakenly described by others, as "conservatives". A true conservative will seek to conserve the natural, built and social environment in which we are embedded, and resist its degradation. The LEAST conservative pollies in the Australian parliament are Tony Abbott's metastases in the LNP, and perhaps the worst even of those is the slimeball Kevin Andrews of Haneef infamy and the gross interference in the democratic and humane decisions of the government of the Northern Territory. Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 26 September 2016 1:36:45 PM
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EJ,
Just as the term progressive has been hijacked by socialists trying to drag the country back to the 60s. Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 26 September 2016 1:54:15 PM
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I loved Albie Menton's reminder of the fine structure of our history which has been too readily forgotten. I specially liked his LNP = Lying Nazi Party and ALP = Another Liberal Party. May I suggest a slight modification of LNP to Lying Nasty Party? My recollections (not personal, thankfully) of how the Nazis really behaved make me hesitant to see the Libs as Nazis even though they share many of the elements of the Nazi Party including the monstrous crime of military aggression against Iraq which parallels the Nazi aggression against Poland followed by most of the rest of Europe and the USSR which got the top Nazis' necks justly stretched and Germany forcibly denazified.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 26 September 2016 2:11:29 PM
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ALP = Always lying party
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 26 September 2016 3:14:40 PM
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That error ruined the whole thing and you aspire to politics I suppose?