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Zika marches on: lessons not learnt : Comments

By Peter Curson, published 4/8/2016

Despite all this some are now saying that the epidemic has peaked in Brazil and Latin America but in reality it may take years for it to fully disappear and its effects will linger much longer.

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Not PC, so will probably be deleted by moderator, but true.
May turn out to be the population growth control mechanism we so badly need.....
Posted by ateday, Thursday, 4 August 2016 8:02:45 AM
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Zika is a sexually transmitted virus and has been around for 69 years.
It is marketed by 2 companies LGC Standards in the UK and ATCC in the US.
It was discovered in 1947 by Rockefeller Foundation scientists in blood from a rhesus monkey that had been kept in captivity, leading many to believe it was a result of experiments.

The recent outbreak in Brazil coincides with the release of genetically modified mosquitoes in 2012 (which were posed as a solution), by the British biotech company Oxitec.

Given that elites have openly stated they wish to reduce global population; wish to use GMO mosquitoes to administer vaccinations, and they are openly involved in these kinds of research which are a danger to the general public, my opinion is that all these people whose pharmaceutical companies are immune to prosecution should be dragged into court and prosecuted for what they have done.

They create diseases, purposely let them escape the lab, play up the danger and force governments into funding vaccines, and ultimately its all part of a plot to kill us all off anyway.

Why do you think Monsanto (GMO and Pesticide company) owns a gene called Epicyte, which irreversibly sterilizes humans who eat it?

And what's with vaccines anyway?
They don't make people immune.
People who've had vaccines getting angry at people who haven't, then blame them when their kids get infected again after already having shots.
All the people with peanut allergies is because peanut oil is used as an adjuvant in the vaccines.

There are side effects from vaccines, it gets played down and covered up.
It's all just a big money making scheme combined with deliberately infecting us and maybe eventually killing most of us all off.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 4 August 2016 10:23:42 AM
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Risible rubbish Armchair. The vaccine hasn't been deployed nor been subject to the normal human trials. Check your facts first!

Vaccines have allowed us to eliminate killer diseases like smallpox and almost eliminate permanently disabling, massive scale polio.

We very nearly got on top of whooping cough and would have eliminated this terrible disease, which is just an annoying persistent tickle in your throat, but something almost always lethal for newborn babies, who die horrible deaths from dehydration, because the unending coughing prevents them suckling!

And why should any new mum be deprived of the pleasure of parenthood and driven into a world of grief, by ignorant folks just like you, who it seems, spread confected rumour and gossip, or blatant lies and virulent pathogens, simply because they too obtuse to simply check the facts? Or the fraudulent credentials of the bogus German Professor and others, who may earn millions in lecture tours and book sales? By taking the gullible anti vaccine brigade for a paid ride?

To date, Zika has proved virtually unstoppable and the mosquito that spreads it, all but impossible to eradicate in various wetlands, like much of Florida to which it has rapidly spread?

Largely down to the laissez faire attitude of numskulls like, self centred, couldn't give a rats for others, folk like you?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 4 August 2016 11:52:15 AM
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Nor has giving kids a dozen jabs at once been trialled either but they do it.
Have you heard of fast-tracking?
That's where they just skip all that 'testing' stuff and put it on the market quickly.

Polio?
http://www.infowars.com/paralysis-cases-spike-in-wake-of-bill-gates-polio-vaccination-effort-in-india/
http://www.infowars.com/shock-scientists-work-to-destroy-old-polio-vaccine-after-admitting-it-causes-polio/

Autism?
http://www.infowars.com/autism-reported-as-vaccine-side-effect-fda-insert-shows/

The vaccines aren't safe or effective.

If your kids had a shot and is immune then what do you have to worry about?
Whooping cough might be a different issue because the kids are really young.
But no-ones actually tested giving a kid so many shots at once though which is now occurring.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 4 August 2016 12:38:24 PM
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Alan B.
I'd really like to see Vaxxed: From Cover-up to Catastrophe
There's an interesting interview here I'm watching atm.
Apparently they've been covering up a vaccine link to autism for the last 14yrs.

http://www.infowars.com/doctor-reveals-secrets-behind-the-vaccine-autism-cover-up/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 4 August 2016 12:54:58 PM
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One can't cover up a non existent link! Some of our autistic kids, have never had a jab! And others who've had multiple vaccinations never ever go on to became autistic!

It's the worst kind of fear mongering ignorance and thoroughly debunked by the peer reviewed science!

None of which has ever troubled the loony tunes who spread this rubbish and the harm the misinformation then creates!

Yes, some folks suffer from allergic reactions! Should that mean we none of us should partake of peanuts of honey from the honey bee?

And what of the less tenuous link between lactose or gluten intolerance and the possible connection between those and autism? Should we all avoid all dairy products or our daily bread?

But worse than that, is the curious Sergeant Schultz Syndrome? And the incredible expertise on everything it engenders in folks who quite deliberately expose themselves to this incredibly vacuous phenomena Armchair?

Who seem to inherit encyclopedic knowledge without ever having to read a book or scholarly tome?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 4 August 2016 3:36:16 PM
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It's easy to keep your head in the sand and poke fingers at everyone else.
But there's massive increases in autism and food allergies and I wont turn a blind eye to these things.
I'm not necessarily opposed to vaccines I'm opposed to unsafe vaccines.

Your peer reviewed science is the science of big business printing money.

I'm not allergic to peanuts, so what I should just say 'not my problem' and ignore the statistics?
And ignore what other people are saying so I can be a shill for big business like you?

http://www.drpalevsky.com/articles_pages/346_Peanut_Oil_in_Vaccines_Since%20the_1960s.asp
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/robert-de-niro-says-wife-7748327

I'm getting sick and tired of this backward thinking world and this insane habit of people attacking other people simply because they don't hold an opinion that isn't PC or favorable to others.

That I have an opinion and concerns that suddenly I should be attacked because I think for myself and won't go along with the hive mind like all the other 'useless idiots' and 'mindless jellyfish'?

I don't need to be an expert.
I hear enough of what other more intelligent people are saying and I'm capable of forming my own opinions.
I'm also entitled to express my own opinions, so if you don't like it you can go shoot up some Thiomersal (mercury) and see if you can't turn yourself gay as an immune response, since we know that mercury causes homosexual behavior.
I don't need to be an expert to know that wheres there's smoke there's fire and that increased autism rates and food allergy rates have to come from somewhere.
It's either the food, the water or the vaccines.

Keep your head in the sand and attack others if you want but it doesn't change anything.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 4 August 2016 6:09:59 PM
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Give a fool enough rope and he'll hang himself with it. And given your latest post armchair? Good job, well done!

Mercury causes homosexuality? Possibly, but only on a six thousand year old planet as flat as a pancake and at the centre of the visible universe!

I've never ever been guilty of ignoring compelling evidence in favor of an opinion that I choose to become welded to Armchair! Sergeant Schultz would be proud!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 4 August 2016 7:18:31 PM
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//That I have an opinion and concerns that suddenly I should be attacked because I think for myself and won't go along with the hive mind like all the other 'useless idiots' and 'mindless jellyfish'?//

The reason that anti-vaxxers get attacked, Armchair Cretin, is because they spread dangerous misinformation which has to potential to cause death and serious disability. As far as I'm concerned, such behaviour is unconscionable and I will always speak out strongly against it. Freedom of speech does not give one the right to shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre.

//I hear enough of what other more intelligent people are saying and I'm capable of forming my own opinions.//

No, you are too easily misled by people telling you lies that you are unwilling to apply critical analysis to because you so desperately want to believe in conspiracy theories. As such, the opinions you form are invariably those in favour of conspiracy theories, even when those conspiracy theories are easily debunked.

//we know that mercury causes homosexual behavior.//

In birds. Are you a very clever corvid who's learnt to type? No? Then I shouldn't worry about it too much if were you. If you've received a toxic dose of mercury, shagging is likely to be the last thing on your mind anyway. You'd probably be more worried about your hair, teeth and nails falling out and your skin peeling off. Probably not much chance of picking up in gay bar when you look like that either.

//food allergy rates have to come from somewhere.
It's either the food, the water or the vaccines.//

It's the food. Here's an article with some real science that might shed some light on the matter:

http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2014-09-22-dry-roasting-could-help-trigger-peanut-allergy

And here's one about autism and vaccines:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2682483/

Now pipe down and stop parroting lies.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 4 August 2016 11:16:12 PM
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"But there's massive increases in autism and food allergies and I wont turn a blind eye to these things."

There has been an increase in reports of autism due to changes in diagnostic criteria and better awareness http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9495906&fileId=S003329171400172X

"Apparently they've been covering up a vaccine link to autism for the last 14yrs."

There is no link between vaccination and autism. This is just a morphing conspiracy theory. http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.short

"That I have an opinion and concerns that suddenly I should be attacked because I think for myself and won't go along with the hive mind like all the other 'useless idiots' and 'mindless jellyfish'?"

You are entitled to have opinions as much as the next person. Equally, I am entitled to point out where your opinions are completely wrong.
Posted by Agronomist, Friday, 5 August 2016 1:36:05 PM
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Dont you all know the US is a fasicst economic dictatorship and that corporate lobbyists pay off senators to pass laws that protect big pharma?
Or are you people still in dreamland that the world is inherently good?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html

Theres plently of people out there who claim that vaccines have changed their kids and not just A-list actors like De Niro, plenty of regular people and their voice is just as important as anyone elses.
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/

How can vaccines be considered effective if people can still contract the disease the vaccines are supposed to prevent?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/whos-risk-measles-maybe-think/

People are taking a risk of side effects for potentially no innoculative benefit at all.
The only benefit is that big pharma gets richer.

So my comment that they are neither safe of effective is valid and 'up yours' to anyone who disagrees.

I'm not the enemy you know.
You people want to protect childen with vaccines, and I'm just as much concerned with protecting them from them.
The point is we're actually on the same side you idiots.
We all want to protect the kids.

You people are just being played so that we're divided against each other and that you attack me instead of the companies that are putting the kids at risk. Fools.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 6 August 2016 9:13:14 AM
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Toni, you think the Autism problem lies with nutrition, and you could be right, but I'm not completely convinced.
(And that argument doesn't mean that vaccines are safe either, btw.)

A $500hr pediatrician who offers discounts on consultations if you buy their drugs exclusively, diagnosing conditions you've never heard of and offering the advice "make sure you feed your child a good bacon and eggs breakfast every day".
Well I don't know how well their science and tests can be trusted, there seems like just as much incentive to keep going back to the pediatrician.

I have some friends going through it at the moment, I don't really see any change in their kids behavior, but that's not to say there hasn't been any.

I don't think science has this issue nailed down properly yet.

If the food is the problem (And what are the Austism rates anyway 1 in 100 down to 1 in 30? Thats a question btw I don't know the stats) then shouldn't this issue be on every TV channel not Sonia Kruger?

We have cows being shot up to produce more milk, animals fed steroids to grow bigger and faster and roundup is now considered a carcinogen in at least a few European countries, so there is 'scope' for it to be the food.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 6 August 2016 9:13:42 AM
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http://www.nature.com/news/zika-and-birth-defects-what-we-know-and-what-we-don-t-1.19596

Quote "As of 12 March, the country’s health ministry reports 6,398 ‘suspected’ cases of microcephaly and/or central nervous system malformations since November 2015; although only 2,197 have so far been investigated. Of those, 854 have been confirmed as microcephaly, and in 97 cases laboratory tests have confirmed a link with the Zika virus."

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/zika-message-to-purveyors-of-medical-fraud/

Quote "Inference? Zika is not the cause of microcephaly. If it were, researchers would be able to detect it in all, or the overwhelming percentage of, microcephaly cases."

"I’m not making this up. There are standards of proof and evidence. They dictate which inferences are possible, and which are not. 97 out 854 is a dud. Back to the drawing board. 757 microcephaly cases show no trace of Zika."

http://www.organicsulfur4health.com/2016/02/15/microcephaly-outbreak-is-it-really-due-to-the-zika-virus/

Quote "As noted earlier, a disproportionate number of microcephaly cases in Brazil (98%) are localized to a specific region of the country. An organization of Argentine doctors called Physicians in the Crop-Sprayed Towns, challenges the notion that the Zika virus is the cause of the increase in microcephaly among newborns in Brazil."

- A cover-up by big pharma maybe?
(And I spend what half an hour looking into this stuff?
And everything I said from my first ignorant comment is true...

No of course not, I'd be a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut to suggest that right?

Let me ask you guys how many of you would take a vaccine created by lets say James Hardie Industries?
Or maybe that company prosecuted over the Hexavalent chromium in the Erin Brockavich movie?
Would you trust them?

No because big business would never do anything to harm the public, would they? No, Never.

Back on the Vaccine / Autism discussion: This is interesting.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/former-media-power-player-sounds-alarm-over-vaccines/

Are you sure vaccines are safe?
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/

My first comment was pretty ignorant, and sorry Alan B. for saying what I did.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 6 August 2016 10:08:42 PM
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More Articles on this topic.

http://www.davidwolfe.com/birth-defects-in-brazil-zika-or-vaccine/

http://www.naturalblaze.com/2016/08/zika-mosquitoes-same-as-gm-mosquitoes-released-off-the-coast-of-florida.html

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/miami-sprays-dangerous-insecticide-that-causes-microcephaly-chemical-weapons-on-american-soil_08052016
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 12:28:44 AM
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