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The Clexit Founding Statement : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 2/8/2016

If the Paris climate accord is ratified, or enforced locally by compliant governments, it will strangle the leading economies of the world with pointless carbon taxes and costly climate and energy policies.

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"The oil rigs in use in the US fell from 1600 in 2014 to to about 400.
What does that tell you ? "

It tells me gas fracking is on the rise, and that gas is taking over. Liquid fuels are fungible. Coal to liquids that the Nazi's perfected in WW2 might even take up some of the slack, if we're not careful.

Peak oil is NOTHING! It could be solved in 15 years if we got serious.
In fact, as EV's become cheaper than Internal Combustion Engine cars (because there's no engine to service and electricity is half the cost of oil per km), Tesla & others may replace family car oil merely through market forces.

But climate? That will be stuffed for millennia if we're not serious about it now.
Posted by Max Green, Friday, 12 August 2016 11:14:22 AM
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Thawing of permafrost has unexpected results, thawing only takes place when temperatures have been high for an extended period.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/scientists-warn-anthrax-just-one-threat-as-russian-permafrost-m/7720362
Posted by ant, Friday, 12 August 2016 11:26:02 AM
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Max said;
It tells me gas fracking is on the rise, and that gas is taking over.

The figures I have seen are for both oil & gas wells.
Certainly in the US gas is taking over from coal for power stations.
Have you read this Max ? If not, I am sure you will find it interesting.

http://www.resilience.org/stories/2016-08-02/some-reflections-on-the-twilight-of-the-oil-age-part-1
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 12 August 2016 11:43:29 AM
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Bazz,
Sorry, but before I bother with yet another link from yourself, you really owe me the courtesy of checking out the link I supplied up thread about the ice ages.
You said: "No one has ever explained why the rising temperature in the geological
past has PRECEDED increasing CO2 !"

I said:
“You must not have read any climate science, because they're all over this! Milankovitch cycles unlock ice-sheets which release CO2, raising temps. Milankovitch cycles are the forcing, worth about 60%, but CO2 accounts for about 40% of the temperature difference in ice ages!
(See the 2nd paragraph, column 2 of page 144).”
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1990/1990_Lorius_etal.pdf
If you are happy to agree with the peer-reviewed climate science, then please, just say so!

I’ve met various people from the resilience website, including Richard Heinberg. We hosted one of his tours. But here’s the thing, exactly how much oil are we producing today? How many cars will Tesla alone be producing in the 2020’s? And what did they predict back in 2003 when "The End of Suburbia" came out? Given that many of the solutions for climate change also help solve peak oil, I don’t have a clue why you’re so suspicious of climate change. But if we try and solve peak oil at the expense of the climate, via stuff like coal-to-liquids programs, we could end up well and truly cooked. Nuclear power can solve both of these issues, quickly and permanently. We already have enough nuclear waste for hundreds of years!
Posted by Max Green, Friday, 12 August 2016 1:29:24 PM
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Rain bombs are happening at a rate that are quite worrying with numbers of people being killed, and they do incredible damage to property, crops and infrastructure.

Eric Holthaus, is a Meteorologist:

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"Today’s rainstorm in Louisiana is at least the eighth 500-year rainfall event across America in little more than a year, including similarly extreme downpours in Oklahoma last May, central Texas (twice: last May and last October), South Carolina last October, northern Louisiana this March, West Virginia in June, and Maryland last month."

From

https://psmag.com/americas-latest-500-year-rainstorm-is-underway-right-now-in-louisiana-98acbdf435d0#.x22tsvoyb

Elsewhere there have been 6 rain bombs falling in different parts of Earth in August 2016.

Rain bombs being excessive rain falling in a short period; for example, Ellicott City, Maryland where 112 ml ( 4.5 inches ) of rain fell in an hour and 150 ml (6 inches ) had fallen in 2 hours.
Posted by ant, Sunday, 14 August 2016 7:09:24 AM
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"Rain bomb" is also called "wet microbursts" by the experts. But that's not as scary as "bombs" and the aim is all about scaring the perpetually terrified.

Disappointingly, even though we are, apparently, going to be inundated with this blitz from Gaia, "even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems,".

Oh the humanity!
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 14 August 2016 1:00:53 PM
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