Hi VK3AUU,

Having knocked around and believed much more Aboriginal 'narrative' than I should have, I'm very aware of the BS yarns that can be told. I've learnt that a yarn is not evidence. It might make 'sense', and a series of yarns can even fit together, but it's very possible that none of them are true.

If you want anybody to believe you're not a fool, you need to provide something substantial, unambiguous evidence, to back up your second-hand yarn from god-knows-who.

Joe

Joe, I have tried to find that book a few times, but so far no luck. It was a first hand experience of a man who if I remember rightly rose to the position of Bishop in the Coptic Church, so I have no reason to doubt his story. Like you, had the story come from a lesser mortal, I might have questioned it, but it went into too much detail to be disbelieved. It certainly wasn't a second-hand yarn from god-knows-who.

You only have to look at the history of how the Irgun and Stern gang terrorists forced the hand of the Brits to realise that the Zionists were not lilywhites.

Incidentally, like you, in my youth I have knocked around a bit and I probably know a bit more than the average southern do gooder when it comes to aboriginals, some of whom I have known.

Hi VK3AUU,

I agree with you that, just because the Muslims pillaged most of the known world for a thousand years, massacring vast numbers of peaceful people from Vietnam and Korea across Asia and Europe, to Poland and the gates of Vienna, down into India, Persia, across North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa and parts of Spain and up into France - doesn't mean that anybody can take any bit of land from a Palestinian owner. Vast wrongs don't excuse a minor wrong.

But your yarn-spinner needs something to back up his story, no matter who he is: he who asserts, must demonstrate. All the passionate declarations in the world don't really amount to anything without evidence.

For example, so many Aboriginal stories use the same tactic - the Rabbit Fence Story, for instance, for which there is no evidence - not from the newspapers of the time, from the 900-page Moseley Royal Commission, from eye-witnesses of the times such as Mrs. M. M. Bennett and Paul Hasluck. Nothing. Yet we believe - partly, I suspect, because we desperately want to.

Sorry, VK3AUU.

Joe

#VK3AUU

Evidence is something that can be checked and verified - not the vague recollections of your youth reading something from an unknown publication by an unnamed maybe Coptic bishop.

Get serious if you want to be believed. Find the name of the book, give us the name of the Coptic bishop and quote what he actually said. Then we can continue this discussion.

The indelible impression apparently left on your young mind - when examined closely - may be something totally false.

Interesting that your fellow Jew-haters have also not leapt to your aid to support your claim that the Jews took over the land without paying for it. Guess they are desperately trying to come up with something but so far - zilch.

Reading something like Senator Rhiannon's pamphlet (or by your unknown Coptic bishop) can certainly create the perception that Jews stole the land. That has been the problem with Arab propagandists for generations. Their "narrative" has been built on such lies and deception and people like you swallow it hook, line and sinker.

When someone takes the time to check these offensive and disgusting claims - they are found to be distortions, half truths or outright lies.

Published often enough they assume the mantle of truth.

I have sent Senator Rhiannon a copy of my article hoping she might furnish some explanation of why Dayan's full quote was not used by her - but she has not replied.

She could well have referred me to the appearance of this quote somewhere else in the form she used it - without she or her parliamentary staff properly checking it first.

She could then apologise and say she would immediately trash the remaining copies of the pamphlet.

She chooses to remain silent so far.

I wasn't exactly young and naive when I read the book. I suppose you will be trying to tell us next that it wasn't Jewish terrorists who blew up the King David Hotel, thus causing the British government to capitulate.
David

#VK3AUU

I am still waiting for your evidence that Jews did not pay for the land they settled on in Palestine.

Raising red herrings by making gratuitous slurs on Jews will only lead me to conclude you have no such evidence and are desperate to change the direction of the discussion in the hope I will be diverted from the canard you first raised.

This is what invariably happens when other Jew-haters find themselves in the same position. You are following the well trodden tactic of your fellow Jew-haters by trying to turn impossible defense into desperate attack.

Won't work mate.

You still have this homework to do:

"Evidence is something that can be checked and verified - not the vague recollections of your youth reading something from an unknown publication by an unnamed maybe Coptic bishop.

Get serious if you want to be believed. Find the name of the book, give us the name of the Coptic bishop and quote what he actually said. Then we can continue this discussion."

Alternatively come up with some other evidence to support your so far unsubstantiated claim.