For JBowyer's benefit.

The Ottoman Empire had subjugated a great many people's and nations over the course of its existence there is no denying it. Not unlike the history of the Russian Empire which we were seeking to support in its contest with the Turks for influence over the Caucasus and the Black Sea. The Armenian Genocide was undoubtedly a major crime but the difference between it and the crimes of the Nazi's and Japanese was that they transgressed across the borders of their respective continents. I am fully aware of the deportations and mass killings of the Armenians that was carried out by the Committee of Union and Progress government. Further the genocide of the Armenian's was not a consideration in Australia's decision to go to war against Turkey, perhaps you believe it is but the Australian government then and since have never advanced that as a justification. History requires seperation of intent from what actually happened. I also fail to see how it is 'cringing lefty' to argue against slandering the ANZAC commemoration from a Marxist publication.

I made reference to the book Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars a few days ago. I could not fit in to the post so I will post it here.

Enforcement
Factor I
As in every social system approach, stability is achieved only by understanding and accounting for human nature (action/reaction patterns). A failure to do so can be, and usually is, disastrous.

To secure the draft, individual brainwashing/programming and both the family unit and the peer group must be engaged and brought under control.

Factor II - Father
The man of the household must be housebroken to ensure that junior will grow up with the right social training and attitudes.

By the time his son must go to war, father (with jelly for a backbone) will slam a gun into junior's hand before father will risk the censure of his peers.

Factor III - Mother
The female element of human society is ruled by emotion first and logic second.

As the transition becomes more difficult to manage, the family unit must be carefully disintegrated, and state-controlled public education and state-operated child-care centers must be become more common and legally enforced so as to begin the detachment of the child from the mother and father.

Factor IV - Junior
The emotional pressure for self-preservation during the time of war and the self-serving attitude of the common herd that have an option to avoid the battlefield – if junior can be persuaded to go - is all of the pressure finally necessary to propel Johnny off to war. Their quiet blackmailings of him are the threats: "No sacrifice, no friends; no glory, no girlfriends."

Factor V - Sister
And what about junior's sister? She is given all the good things of life by her father, and taught to expect the same from her future husband regardless of the price.

Factor VI - Cattle
Those who will not use their brains are no better off than those who have no brains, and so this mindless school of jelly-fish, father, mother, son, and daughter, become useful beasts of burden or trainers of the same.

The Third Man,
Turkish war crimes weren't limited to the Armenians, 400,000 Greeks and countless Shia and Zoroastrians were also murdered in that era, Kurdish militias and death squads were sent into Mesopotamia by the Ottoman commanders specifically to carry out such atrocities.

For the Third Man's benefit, Hitler admitted the Armenian Genocide which happened after Gallipoli was the inspiration for his own holocaust. If you are going to try a snide attack mate at least get your facts and your arguments straight.
What exactly is your beef with what I said? Now think, before you answer this time.

Third Man,

My incomplete knowledge of the Gallipoli campaign was that it was supposed to secure the Dardanelles in order to free up supplies to Tsarist Russian ports. There was no intention to invade Turkey in order to seize land for the long term, as there clearly was in the cases of Nazi Germany and fascist Japan, with their explicit goal of conquering - with Italy as a junior partner - all of the world and dividing it amongst themselves.

In that intention, the fascists had much in common with the present-day Islamo-fascists of ISIS, by the way. We fought fascism then - a generation of heroes - and we may have to fight it again. And just as the left (by their control of the miners' and wharfies' unions) sabotaged the war effort between 1939 and 1945, I wonder if the left will try to do the same again against ISIS.

Joe

William, get your head out of "The Red Flag" and read some real history books. You know that people rare telling the truth when books by soldiers, journalists, historians, and eyewitnesses to history all present facts which cross connect and back each other up.

It is not the intelligent thing to do to simply read what the enemies of your civilisation say, and then think that you are being smart by parroting their propaganda. The Left has got you house trained if you think that always opposing you people's interests, and always taking a contrary view, is what "smart" people like yourself do. Smart people read history, William. Smart people love knowledge. They don't need 'the Red Flag" to do all their thinking for them. The Left wants you to be ashamed of your own people's history, William, and it is air bushing it to conform to it's ideology.

Reality check, Stuart.

The Turkish Empire had ben trying to conquer Europe since the fall of Constantinople. Destroying the Byzantine empire was critical to isolating Europe from trade with India and China. After Europe was isolated, it could be conquered, and the Turks tried for hundreds of years to do just that. It was a pity the Commonwealth forces did not win at Gallipoli and driven our Turkish enemies out of Europe for good.

Japanese soldiers did land in Australia, William. A reconnaissance party landed by submarine in the Northern territory looking for a suspected allied aerodrome, but it was not there. Your appalling lack of knowledge of history is manifest right there.

The British empire was the greatest civilising force that this world has ever seen. Today, Britain is still held in high regard by many of it's former colonies who remember with affection that the British did far more good than harm. This is contrary to almost every other empire that ever existed. You should be proud of that.