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Carbon delusions and defective models : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 11/4/2016

The models fail to explain Earth's long history of changing climates and ignore the powerful role of interacting cycles in the solar system.

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"The relentless war on carbon is justified by the false assumption that global temperature is controlled by human production of two carbon-bearing 'Greenhouse Gases'.

Rubbish. Nobody is proposing that global temperature is "controlled" by (i) two carbon-bearing greenhouse gases, or (ii) by human production of them.

The proposal is that global temperature is being *influenced* by human production of green-house gases, of which there are several - the predominant one is water vapour.

The reason there is a focus on CO2 is that it is a better indication of total greenhouse gases because it is more uniform in the atmosphere than water vapour (clouds prove that!). And because CO2 and water - H2O - are the end-products of the combustion of hydrocarbons (including, by way of digression, carbohydrates).

Yes, there is a carbon cycle. It is just that man is adding to it by

(a) mining and combusting vast amounts of hydrocarbons previously locked deep in the earths crust; and

(b) deforesting.

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Posted by McReal, Monday, 11 April 2016 12:24:55 PM
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Of course the politicians love the global warming scam, it has proved an excellent means of transferring billions of dollars to supporters & campaign funders.

Obama has given half a billion dollars of tax payer funds each to just 2 companies owned by his supporters. Both are now bankrupt & gone, so good was their product & business model. Of course their founders walked away with much of that funding personally.

Our academics have found a lovely gravy train in funding for global warming research. In fact a number of our universities will be in serious financial difficulty, if the flow of funds for this pretend science stops.

Anyone keeping an eye on Europe knows they are backing away from the consequences of their spruiking global warming, & alternative energy, just as quickly as they can. Having wasted so much money, they can't now admit it was a disaster, but they are terrified the planet will prove their scam was just that.

You can't blame the average citizen for being conned, but academics have known for years, but just don't want to give up such a great gravy train.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 11 April 2016 5:25:51 PM
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Hasbeen: Of course the politicians love the global warming scam, it has proved an excellent means of transferring billions of dollars to supporters & campaign funders.

Who better to illustrate this than Bill Shorten? If Labor is elected, he is going for 50% electricity from renewables by 2030. The resultant substantial rise in electricity prices will please no one but the renewable power generators. Furthermore, there will not be any measurable impact on global warming.
Posted by Raycom, Monday, 11 April 2016 11:51:32 PM
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Here is a fact that no scientist can deny, no matter they be a physicist, climatologist, paleoclimatologist or a chemist etc:

Between 1880 and 2015 the global average temperature has changed from -288degrees Kelvin to -288.8 degrees Kelvin, this represents an increase of just 0.3%. Is this significant? No, it is not even worth worrying about. This science does not lie, but the political 'climate change or global warming' mantra has become like a religion and is therefore sold as undeniable, it's just plain madness.

There is warming over a hundred + year timeframe as I wrote earlier, but at circa 0.3% is it worth worrying about, definitely not. We are being hoodwinked.
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 4:36:13 AM
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Raycom - "The resultant substantial rise in electricity prices will please no one but the renewable power generators. "

Rubbish my power company Origin, asked me to sign up for 50% renewable power and it adds about $20 per quarter. have been on the plan now for almost a year and if anything, my power bills have gone down thanks to a bit more conservative turning off appliances when going to bed etc and plenty of sunshine keeping my solar panels busy

Hardly the end of the world and they can provide a higher level for not much more.
Posted by Peter King, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 9:42:22 AM
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There are literally thousands of papers written about climate change in peer reviewed science Journals. No single person can read all papers; and usually people confine their reading mainly to the discipline they are involved with. The ARM 11 year research program conducted in the natural environment at two locations showed the relationship between CO2 and IR. No modelling involved, conclusions based on data collected. The conclusion drawn from collecting data for 11 years almost on a daily basis was that the science was shown to be right in relation to what's occurring in the atmosphere as stated by scientists.

Quote from Phy.org

"The influence of atmospheric CO2 on the balance between incoming energy from the Sun and outgoing heat from the Earth (also called the planet's energy balance) is well established. But this effect has not been experimentally confirmed outside the laboratory until now. The research is reported Wednesday, Feb. 25, in the advance online publication of the journal

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-02-carbon-dioxide-greenhouse-effect.html#jCp

Abstract:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v519/n7543/full/nature14240.html

A much earlier study:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2009JD011800/full
Posted by ant, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 11:47:14 AM
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