Well David as usual you seem to think only other folk need to be bound by past agreements.

And so nice of Israel to offer to hand back 90% of what has been patently purloined? [Offers like the two state roadmap can always be withdrawn.] And Israel should be rewarded for that generosity?

I don't think Clinton can be bound by any words or promises, save those coming from her own mouth and as her own utterances.

Even so committments are always conditional, and for both sides.

And with some sort of peace settlement with Iran, one less bargaining chip to blackmail congress with?

Let Israel first put a signed and ratified agreement, also palatable for the Palestinians, on the table, and then ask for Clinton's support?

We've already had enough hot air(on again, off again, hot air obfuscation) to launch several hot air balloons, and indeed fly them across the Pacific!
Rhrosty.

Putting all your eggs in one basket eh David?

Who says Hillary Clinton (a warmonger and clear sociopath) is going to be President, because this is what you infer.

I think Sanders may just 'Trump' (no pun intended) her in the coming months and the Donald may just make the White House in the current race to the bottom of US joke politics.

But then again neocon and Jewish interference and shenanigans in the political process may just see Killary Clinton steal the top job.

In the big scheme of things Zionist aspirations will continue to subvert justice in relation to the two state solution so why bother blathering about a two bit shill and the unknown political outcome of the worlds most corrupt and immoral nation on earth.

Here we go again. Broken record singer and his weekly attempt at badgering anyone and everyone into believing that israel is not a racist, thieving, murderous rogue state.
Give it up davey boy.
Israels actions speak far far louder than your words.

#Rhrosty

Interesting to see you find it acceptable for America to break commitments to Israel made by President Bush as overwhelmingly endorsed by the Congress.

Strange sense of morality indeed.

As to your claim that the West Bank was "patently purloined" you are obviously unaware that:

1. It was the Jews who were driven out of Judea and Samaria (as the West Bank was then called) and Gaza in 1948 where they had settled pursuant to the legal rights vested in them under article 6 of the Mandate of Palestine and article 80 of the UN charter.

2. The PLO in its founding 1964 Charter rejected any claims by Palestinian Arabs to territorial sovereignty of the West Bank or Gaza:

"Article 24. This Organization does not exercise any regional sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or the Himmah Area. Its activities will be on the national popular level in the liberational, organizational, political and financial fields."

When Jordan lost the West Bank and Egypt lost Gaza to Israel in 1968 - the PLO changed its tune .

Apparently the thought of Jews owning any territory in the West Bank or Gaza had become anathema to the PLO and so it has continued for the last 47 years.

You no doubt would readily agree with the PLO changing its mind in 1968 - just as Clinton might be prepared to jettison the commitments made to Israel by Bush in 2004.

Had the Palestinian Arabs had any common sense they would have grabbed the opportunities given them in 1922, 1937, 1947, between 1948-1967, 2000/1 and 2008 to end up with a lot more than they will ever now achieve by continually wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Whilst people like you write the rubbish you do - you encourage such rejectionism and confrontation to deny the Jews what was unanimously conferred on them by the League of Nations and the United Nations.

That is too a strange sense of morality and demonstrable Jew-hatred on your part.

Bush and Sharon. A deal between two murderous war criminals.

#Geoff

Shooting off your mouth again - attempting to denigrate Israel with the claim that it is the world's most immoral and corrupt nation on earth.

Sorry to disappoint you but Somalia is - followed by North Korea then Afghanistan, Sudan and South Sudan. Israel is ranked at 135 out of 167 nations surveyed.
http://www.transparency.org/cpi2015

Substantiate the basis your claim or shut up.

The sooner you crawl back under your rock of anonymity the better.

Spewing out the hatred you do simply exposes you as an out and out Jew-hater.

#mikk

On 11 April 1950 elections were held for a new Jordanian Parliament in which the Arabs on the west bank of the Jordan River were equally represented

On 24 April 1950 the Parliament unanimously passed the following resolution

“In the expression of the people’s faith in the efforts spent by His Majesty, Abdullah, toward attainment of natural aspirations, and basing itself on the right of self-determination and on the existing de facto position between Jordan and Palestine and their national, natural and geographic unity and their common interests and living space, Parliament, which represents both sides of the Jordan, resolves this day and declares:

First, its support for complete unity between the two sides of the Jordan and their union into one State, which is the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, at whose head reigns King Abdullah Ibn al Husain, on a basis of constitutional representative government and equality of the rights and duties of all citizens….”

To put it in simpler terms for you - an Arab living on one side of the Jordan River did not in 1950 consider himself different to an Arab living on the other side of the Jordan River.

No mention of "Occupied Palestinian Territories" or cries of "End the Occupation" or "stealing Palestinian land" or talk of Boycotts during those 17 years of Jordanian occupation.

That all changed when Jews returned to live in the West Bank which had been promised to them by the League of Nations and the United Nations and from which they had been forcibly kicked out almost 20 years before.

As I continually point out there is no need for another Arab State to be created between Israel and Jordan for the first time ever in recorded history.

Arab rejection of offers to achieve that result in 1922, 1937, 1947 and between 1948-1967, 2000/2001 and 2008 indicates such a solution is dead and buried.

Time to try and get Jordan - the last Arab occupier of the West Bank - involved in direct negotiations with Israel on the future of the West Bank.

David,
Fox News 29/3/2016:
UN Names Democratic Israel As World’s Top Human Rights Violator
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/03/29/can-t-make-it-up-un-names-democratic-israel-as-world-s-top-human-rights-violator.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV2GhOkQ1yY

#Armchair Critic

Did you actually read the article you referred to OR did you just jump in when you read the screaming headline?

This is what the author actually wrote:

"According to the United Nations, the most evil country in the world today is Israel.

On March 24, 2016, the U.N. Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) wrapped up its annual meeting in New York by condemning only one country for violating women’s rights anywhere on the planet – Israel, for violating the rights of Palestinian women.

On the same day, the U.N. Human Rights Council concluded its month-long session in Geneva by condemning Israel five times more than any other of the 192 UN member states.

There were five Council resolutions on Israel. One each on the likes of hellish countries like Syria, North Korea and Iran. Libya got an offer of “technical assistance.” And countries like Russia, Saudi Arabia and China were among the 95 percent of states that were never mentioned.

No slander is deemed too vile for the U.N. human rights bodies that routinely listen to highly orchestrated Palestinian versions of the ancient blood libel against the Jews."

The author further stated:

"In Geneva’s grand U.N. “Human Rights” Council chamber, 750 people assembled, pounced on the Jewish state, broadcast the spectacle online, and produced hundreds of articles and interviews in dozens of languages championing the results.

On the ground, Israelis are being hacked to death on the streets, stabbed in buses, slaughtered in synagogues, mowed down with automobiles, and shot in front of their children.

At the New York’s UN headquarters, 8,100 NGO representatives gathered from all corners of the globe, in addition to government delegates, and watched the weight of the entire world of women’s rights descend on only one country.

On the ground, Palestinian women are murdered and subjugated for the sake of male honor, Saudi women can’t drive, Iranian women are stoned to death for so-called “adultery,” Egyptian women have their genitals mutilated and Sudanese women give birth in prison with their legs shackled for being Christian."

Thanks for the excellent article.

I know it was a one sided pro-Israeli article and that doesn't bother me. The headline was still valid enough to argue your claims.

"On the ground, Israelis are being hacked to death on the streets, stabbed in buses, slaughtered in synagogues, mowed down with automobiles, and shot in front of their children."

Yeah? And your point is?
Am I supposed to be sympathetic to the plight of these innocent people?
Am I supposed to grieve with you and scream for justice for these unfortunate victims?

No. Why the hell should I care about the human rights of one group of foreigners any more than any other?

You want me to be biased in my judgment of one group of people over another group of people.
Why should I buy into that?
I want liberty and freedom for all people not just a chosen few.

I'm going to let you in on the cold hard truth of who actually killed those people.
You wanna know who? I think you can guess.
That's right, You did it.
They did it to themselves.
Israel is responsible for the mess they find themselves in because they messed up from day 1 and made the Palestinians hostile.

You've been feeding the world a big pile of crap for decades while keeping these people in a damn cage and you want sympathy why they have nothing left to live for, have had enough of a oppressed life and fight back.

How much anger and resentment does it actually take for a person to reach the point where they are willing to attack armed defense personnel with knives knowing they will surely be killed?

There's two sides to this damn story David and you conveniently only see one side.

You want to know one more time who killed those Jews just so it sinks in?
You did.
It sure as hell wasn't me.
You created this mess yourselves after WW2 and took the oppression from from the Nazi's out on the Palestinan people.
And one may have sympathy for your foolish plight in this regard if it wasn't for the fact that you instigated that war yourselves when you started an economic war against Germany.
If that's not enough how about manipulating the events of the first world war against Germany to gain the land of Israel through the Balfour declaration; and you act all innocent and wonder why there was pushback of the native people of Germany?

One may look at the situation as a whole and wonder if Zionist manipulated all these events in their own way to achieve the outcome of a Jewish state.

So tell me after imprisoning the Palestinians for decades and being foolish enough to actually question why they pushback (as if you shouldn't have learned why over the centuries) tell me why again I should have any sympathy at all for the situations you find yourselves in? That is the one you created for yourselves.

It seems to me that part of the whole reason you post your garbage is because you are trying to sell everyone a pack of lies David.
Well I'm sorry for not being as docile as all the other sheep but I'm not buying.

David,
I just thought of another reason why your argument for Honoring Bush's commitments to Israel is a load of bs.

I not sure if you watched the other video about Why Israel Hates Donald Trump I added but it outlines how Israel own all the establishment candidates through George Soros, Sheldon Aledson, Koch Brothers etc..
And basically the President and all of congress are all bought and paid for.

Your arguing that commitments to Israel should be honored by the very same bought-and-paid-for Pro-Israel US Politicians.

Haven't you already rigged the game enough so that American citizens must pay billions a year endlessly while they are bankrupt to support your crappy little nation?

You people are manipulators, don't believe in democracy or the will of the people and are control freaks who meddle in other nations affairs for your own violent and imperial aspirations.

Stop trying to buy our democracy and our political leaders with the free trips to Israel.
Anyone with half a brain knows that's a bribe of our politicians and of manipulating the will of the Australian people.
What you engage in is shameless and you should be held in contempt of our nation.

You people know no shame but expect to use sympathy and goodwill as a means to get what you want from everyone else.

Also Australian attitude is of a "fair go".
The problems you created with the Palestinians is one of your own doing.
Don't drag us into your mess or try to buy our leaders.

#armchair critic

Your following comments are offensive and objectionable and are totally beyond the pale:
"I'm going to let you in on the cold hard truth of who actually killed those people.
You wanna know who? I think you can guess.
That's right, You did it.
They did it to themselves.
Israel is responsible for the mess they find themselves in because they messed up from day 1 and made the Palestinians hostile."

These comments were compounded by the following further comments:
"You want to know one more time who killed those Jews just so it sinks in?
You did.
It sure as hell wasn't me."

Anyone who can condone the murder of a woman in her own house leaving six children without their mother or accept that a family of five sleeping in their own beds can be murdered - no matter what the supposed justification - has no moral compass whatsoever.

Incitement to murder and encouraging the commission of further murders amounts to racial vilification and incitement to violence.

If you had the guts to post your real name and address I would be more than happy to forward your comments to the Race Discrimination Commissioner to investigate and also to the police to consider action against you under the Crimes Act Amendment (Incitement to violence) Bill 2005.

Name and address please...

Before responding to your comment I'd like to point out the irony of your lastest article in discussing free speech, and your immediate hypocritical display of behaviour when you now immediately attempt to deny my right to free speech.

My comments offensive and objectionable:
My intention was never to offend and I'm sorry that you feel that way.
On the contrary, I too find your constant arguments offensive and objectionable;
I feel they are consistently one-sided and that they display an attempt to subvert the Australian public with a biased and foreign point of view.

Let me be clear.
I do not start the discussions with you that I comment on.
I merely respond or react to that with which you put forward.

I am not racist.
If either a Jewish or Palestinan family arrived at my doorstep needing help, I would help them both.
If they were hungry and I could give them food I would feed them both.
If they needed fuel to continue on their way, or shelter for a night I would give it.
(So long as I felt that they were trustworthy and genuine and not dishonest people)

I want Liberty and Freedom FOR ALL PEOPLE, not just a chosen few.
And I want a system that is FAIR FOR ALL PEOPLE,
Not one where the CARDS ARE STACKED to give one group an advantage over another.

You are a bald-faced liar.
I have not condoned the murder of anyone.
Being a lawyer one would think you would pay attention to facts such as this instead of making false accusations.

You've just successfully proven yourself to be a complete hypocrite, and that you believe the rules you preach do not apply to you.

#armchair critic

Quit the squirming and protestations of contrived innocence. You haven't even got the decency to unreservedly withdraw the comments to which I took strong exception.

I still want to refer your offensive and racially inciting comments to the Race Discrimination Commissioner and the police for possible action against you.

I ask again - your name and address please.

That's not going to happen.
I don't see you admitting to or apologizing for making false accusations and you're a lawyer.
Its you that engages in slander and libel towards others, and I've been witness to you doing so on several occasions.
But I doubt you will take any responsibility for your own conduct.

If you wish to make accuse tell me specifically where I've made hateful comments or that I've made any call for violence or that I personally condone it?

You'd have to prove that I had intent to deliberately cause harm and you cant prove that because I honestly don't feel that way.

I don't ever have to answer any of your questions but I do have a right of free speech afforded to me where I can reply to your articles if I choose to.
The comment sections aren't about you challenging my opinion.
Its about everyone else responding to what you already stated.

Racial hatred is doing something in public based on the race, colour, national or ethnic origin of a person or group of people which is likely to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate.

Firstly, I don't make comments towards you based on your race.
I don't even know if you are Jewish, Australian or what.
I make my comments based on the opinion you first put forward.
I merely respond and attempt by balance your consistently biased articles.

I've stated that it's not my intention to deliberately offend, merely to state my opinion.
I believe everything I put forward has a basis to it and I often add links to justify my statements or line of questioning.
I don't simply make things up in order to vilify.

What happens when the facts themselves cause offense such as in the maps discussion?
Its not my fault you're offended by criticism of a set a maps that are more or less accurate.
Does this mean members of this forum aren't allowed to discuss these topics simply because you might take offense, which you consistently do?
Should you be allowed to hold a monopoly on discussions based on others fear of retribution?
How do we know when you're genuinely offended, and when you're using the law to stifle criticism you don't like on issues that form your agenda?

The Racial Discrimination Act also protects my speech.
It aims to strike a balance between the right to communicate freely and the right to live free from racial hatred or vilification.

Under the Act, one of the things that are not against the law if they are 'done reasonably and in good faith' is making a fair comment, if the comment is an expression of a person’s genuine belief.

Therefore my speech and opinions are protected and I haven't broken any laws.

I can even provide links where other Jewish people state that diaspora communities have been called upon to 'engage in propaganda', so my comments are not in any way unreasonable.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/australias-jews-urged-to-take-more-critical-line-20111123-1nuz9.html

Accusing someone of antisemitism or Jew hatred is libellous unless the accusation can be substantiated. In detail. The OLO spokesman for the foreign racist state of Israel has on many occasions committed this libel under the nonexistent umbrella of Zionist exceptionalism and exemption from standards of behaviour that apply universally. Perhaps he should reflect on the truth of Immanuel Kant's categorical imperative.

#armchair critic

If you are so confident of beating any action taken against you by the Human Rights Commissioner- why are you still so reluctant to give me your name and address so your offensive comments can be ruled on by the appropriate authorities?

Name and address please...

#Emperor Julian

Yet another comment from another anonymous person who hasn't got the guts to write under his or her own name and address.