To all:

The Earth's surface emits radiative flux with a mean of about 400W/m^2 because of its temperature. It also loses over 100W/m^2 due to evaporative cooling, conduction and convection. So we have about 500W/m^2 coming out of the surface globally, but only a (global) mean of about 168W/m^2 of direct solar radiation impinging on the surface, as per NASA diagrams. The difference - the extra INPUT energy - comes from the maximum entropy production process that is described in statements of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The full explanation is in my 2013 paper linked here: https://itsnotco2.wordpress.com

Doug

Discussion is going around in circles; meanwhile the climate is changing.
What is your suggestion about what should be done about climate change?

Ant,

Yes climate change is happening, that is, the natural change to climate plus human impact changing climate.

If you listen to your church preacher you will usually hear about belief of your church.
With climate change if you listen usually to the CO2 emissions theory you will believe sea level rise is due to CO2 emissions.

However if you maintain an open mind and look at various evidence you might see other indicators.
Example, evidence of substance from my point of view indicates sea level at Miami is sometimes slightly higher because Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean waters are warmer and higher due to nutrient pollution.
It is the same nutrient overload pollution that feeds the world’s biggest dead zone and sargassum and common green algae inundating that region.

Can anyone provide evidence nutrient overload and algae has nothing to do with warm water and associated higher water level? No.
Do you think water is not sometimes warmer and therefore higher at Miami. Scroll down to the third image at the following link, thanks to NASA.
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003300/a003383/

The words “climate change” waste time and therefore should not be used in a general sense while discussing change to climate, because change in climate is natural, it even caused ancient people to move to find water elsewhere. You know that.

Yes change to climate is noticeable in areas, but not all over this planet at the same time, as could be expected if the gas in the atmosphere of this planet was spread evenly everywhere.
Nutrient and algae in oceans is concentrated and scattered about, CO2 quickly spreads everywhere.

Re coral bleaching in Australian waters, what is the scientific definition of “pretty shocking”, as per the SMH at:
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/sydneys-corals-now-bleaching-in-pretty-shocking-sign-of-warming-waters-20160418-go8qex.html#ixzz46BPoPuoI

Look at the second photo down and see algae behind the coral and over the harbour floor, that algae was already there , it was not caused by the warm SURFACE water.
That type of algae is caused by nutrient overload over a period of time and finally that algae has impacted and stressed and killed that coral, leading to ‘bleaching'.

J F Aus and Ant
Sorry Been away for a while and will not have time for a few hours yet to go over your comments. A thought occured to me though. A friend ponted out that in or near the Morton national park at Kangaroo valley N.S.W., you can see an old coral reef full of sea shells up about a thousand feet above sea level. During both the recent quakes and the Tsunami, Japan has seen large vertical movements. So my question is how long at the random and sporadic rates of normal kaotic change is it before the Great Barrier reef becomes a mountain range with dry limestone caves under it?

Siliggy,
Good to hear from you.
Being AWOL though is a worry.
Cheers,
JF

JK Aus
You agree the climate changes, and that man has some impact.

The overriding question is what are we going to do about it?

We constantly view how storm water pipes are inadequate.
Sewage becomes mixed with flood water.
Roads are damaged.
Houses,shops, office buildings, and vehicles are damaged by storm waters.