Jardine, I have nursed all sorts of victims of DV (overwhelmingly female) how are YOU supportive of female victims of DV?
Loudmouth, sarcasm won't change the DV victim statistics.

The reasons for people bashing or killing their family members are varied, but I think we can safely say that not all people who drink alcohol, take drugs, have mental illnesses or go through relationship breakdowns bash or kill their relatives?
Luckily, the courts realize this now and don't listen to all these sob stories anymore.

If you bash or kill your relative, unless it is proven it is self defense, then you will be locked up, whether that is in prison or in a locked mental health ward.
It is just as bad as bashing or killing a stranger on the street, and should be treated the same in the courts.
Bashing or killing someone for leaving a relationship or arguing with them, for whatever reason, is a crime, simple as that.

Who on this forum thinks it is ok for an estranged partner to bash or kill a woman after the courts grant her custody of her kids, for whatever reason? Why wouldn't these cowards go after the police or court officials who presided over these decisions, rather than their 'loved ones'? Because they are gutless thugs...

Women are responsible for an overwhelming proportion of child neglect. -Which has been proved to directly result in serious problems for example, mental retardation and is the usual precursor to self-harming and suicide and to serious abuse and harm by others.

It is a cycle that needs to be broken. The cost to the community is horrendous.

Suseonline,
When are YOU going to stand up, speak out and act against the women who neglect children and recklessly put them in the way of serious harm?

When are YOU going to take the oath and pledge,

"I will stand up, speak out and act to prevent women's nehlect of children and recklessly allowing them to be placed in harm's way".

I've read many of the contributions on this specific topic, again dealing with Domestic Violence. When coppers turn up at a complainants home, there are no preconceived set of circumstances or facts, that will equip them with the precise knowledge of what's actually going on ?

Antecedents furnished to police who're directed to attend, can only provide them with limited knowledge:- previous DV behaviour; outstanding warrants; whether any occupants at that address have a firearm registered; and any other relevant criminal antecedents that may assist police. That's it ! In my time, I've attended an address where the complainant is invariably the female. I've again attended the same address, with the same people involved, with an entirely different complainant, often the male spouse?

My point is; all the available statistics, the theoretical and academic guidelines that are there ostensibly to assist police, though well intended, mean very little actually. They're there to give the coppers a mere 'heads up', nothing more!

Humans, being the extremely complex creatures that we are, are almost impossible to predict. I don't care who you are, what your claim to fame is; or that you have more degrees after your name, than the Masonic Lodge? You can NEVER veraciously anticipate (unequivocally) what will happen, when you first knock on the complainants door?

An offending individual will today, react one way; Tomorrow the same offending individual will react in an entirely different way.

OTB, this thread is on Domestic violence. If you want to start a thread on child neglect then you go right ahead. I have plenty of experience in dealing with those parents and kids as well.

Any comments on when it is ever ok to bash or kill your loved ones other than self defense?

I think I said all I have to say on this subject because I will just start repeating myself and going round and round with the usual suspects....and I just can't be bothered today,
see you all on another thread.

o sung wu,

Slightly off the thread but to the thread as well.

I had a grin at your reference to the Freemasons, who are not a secret society but a fraternal one that claims (with strong justification I believe) to take good men and make better men of them.

The reason so many police and other good citizens were Masons was that there they were among men of similar outlook and perception of duty.

More degrees than the Masons, LOL, very droll :)

Suseonline,

There is a proved link between child neglect and later domestic violence as victim or offender, or more likely, switching between victim and persecutor.

To use your own reasoning, women are responsible for child neglect and for the most likely train of awful negative consequences. It is therefore absolutely necessary, imperative, that all women including you stand up, speak out and act against the women who neglect children and recklessly put them in the way of serious harm.

When are YOU going to take the oath and pledge,

"I will stand up, speak out and act to prevent women's neglect of children and recklessly allowing them to be placed in harm's way".