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The cult of Trump : Comments

By Vladimir Vinokurov, published 17/3/2016

Trump's uniqueness, however, lies in his media savviness. Trump is able to combine popular dislike for trade and immigration with a practiced demagoguery that has come from years of observing and working in popular media.

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Well the premise of the argument is inherently correct?

However, the same can't be said of its conclusions, nor the links it attempt to establish!

We have perfectly fair and reasonable migration laws and entry points. And have the welcome mat out for folks who add something positive and desirable. Hopefully, occasionally?

The fact that some folks who tried to migrate here with the assistance of EXPENSIVE (organized crime) people smugglers for the equivalent of a year's salary, are now languishing on a small tropical paradise, is entirely a result of their own decisions and actions!

Applicable to everyone else who deliberately destroys their identifying documentation, documentation they needed just to make it to the tasit countries, that many would argue provided the very sanctuary they were seeking, and moreover, almost always in a country with a culture closer to their normal, than what we have here.

And what they seem to want to destroy once we have allowed them to impose on us and our customary generosity!

And if burning/scalding a baby gets them their preferred outcome, many more babies put at similar risk?

Even so, many of them will now be returning home thanks to a new peace accord with Iran?

And there is, it would seem, reasonable prospect of peace breaking out in Syria.

And given our policy however harsh it seems to the bleeding hearts (fifth columnists) in our midst, seems to have completely disabled the people smugglers business model and the mass drownings!

We just can't allow manifestly mendacious machivalian mischief to weaken our resolve or dismantle a policy that's actually working!

No repeat of the Christmas Island drownings or the heartbreaking funerals that followed!
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 17 March 2016 10:49:56 AM
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Yes it is true Herr Trump will grow a new Amerika, but not yet invade Russia.

Trump comes from excellent roots for a US president. Trump's German Grandpa was certainly a colourful identity:

[Grandpa] Frederick Trump (born Friedrich Trump) was a German-born American businessman. [Grandpa] Trump made his first fortune operating boom-town hotels, restaurants and a brothel in the northwestern United States and western Canada.

Reports that Trump is outsourcing his foreign policy to "deadeye" Dick Cheney have not yet been disproven .

Plans to invade Iran, China and reoccupy the Sudetenland are on zee table

Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 17 March 2016 1:23:50 PM
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< Moreover, Trump's call to ban Muslim immigration is a form of collective punishment that could lead to much worse. He has even praised former American President Roosevelt for imprisoning over 100,000 American-Japanese civilians, including American citizens, during the Second World War for the crime of having the wrong ancestry. It is not hard to imagine what he could do to Muslims or others if he were able to.>

Well this is the glaring problem with multiculturalism, isn't it?

Divided loyalty.
Especially in a time of war when both tribes are killing members of each other's

If you, your children, your father, brothers,were in a war zone, fighting against
One of these tribes amongst you, and you know, that they could be killed
Or your town could be bombed because of geographical information given out
Even quite innocently by people from these tribes writing letters and emails to
Their families back home. You too might agree to deny them any chance of
Contact with your enemy until after the war.

They weren't killed or starved or treated that badly and were released after
The war. If it had been a huge group of Australians, Americans,Russians or French
Living in Japan or Germany, they no doubt would have been taken out and shot
Or starved to death.

we and our Allies lost hundreds of thousands of sons,brothers and
Fathers in our war with the Japanese and Germans,
8'000 dead at Gallipoli for Australia.
See, in war you are forced to choose between the death of your kin and the
Rights of a then enemy to move freely in your midst

The ethnic people may have no desire to harm anybody but those dying and being
Killed can't take any chances with their lives or their families lives.

War isn't about fairness or justice it's about survival,pure and simple
Can descend into civil war at times Like these.

Something else that needs to be understood about the dangers of multiculturalism
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 19 March 2016 1:31:57 PM
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If free trade and mass migration are as wonderful as the author says, for the nation as whole and not just the top 1%, then why do most American men have lower real wages than in 1979? (See Fig. 4C)

Cheap flat screen TVs don't make up for low paid precarious jobs or for skyrocketing education and health costs (or housing and utility costs in Australia).

This Web comment explains just why people are voting for Trump and Bernie Sanders

"Donald Trump did not sign the one sided trade deals, that over a period of 30 years, destroyed the hard working middle class of America. Donald Trump did not allow state of the art manufacturing facilities to shut down and ship millions of jobs to China, Taiwan, Mexico, India, & Viet Nam. Donald Trump did not balloon the National Debt to $19+ trillion. Donald Trump did not allow 12 million illegal immigrants to take up permanent residency in our country. Donald Trump did not create the blatant corruption that permeates throughout all levels of government. Donald Trump did not create the toxic society of a once great and proud nation. Unfortunately, Donald Trump is too little, too late. The damage done to the USA is absolutely irreversible/irreparable."

Web comment by “Armaniguy” on Fox News article 17/3/16
Posted by Divergence, Sunday, 20 March 2016 2:46:06 PM
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I would've locked up or deported all the Japanese as well, if I was an American decision-maker and we were at war with Japan.

That said however, I don't think America were justified in starting a war with Japan, it didn't start with Pearl Harbor, the US instigated that situation, just like they always instigate all the worlds problems staying to stand over some nation for some political or monetary gain.

If I was Germany I would've NOT locked up, but instead deported all the Jews out of the country, since they declared war on Germany in 1933.
Any Jew deported and caught back in the country would've been sent to a detention and labour camp for a year if they returned, and as far as I'm concerned that's fair play.

Come back a third time, -firing squad.
Harsh but fair, don't come back, you were warned.

I don't want to lock anyone up, but I wouldn't have my people paying to house and feed you because of your mistake in choosing to dismiss what you were warned and told.

You declared war on our nation and are an enemy on foreign soil in times of war, a war you started.

If you don't like it you should've left and gone elsewhere.

Don't say you weren't warned, and don't complain if you choose to break the rules and must face the consequences.

And I don't care what story history tells us, but Germany is named that because GERMAN people live there, and they have a right to choose who comes and goes in their country.

And if any group of foreigners representing another nation declared war on OUR COUNTRY whilst residing in our borders and tried to undermine our economy as the Jews did in Germany, I'd say the same thing.

Its not racism. Its reality.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 20 March 2016 3:36:39 PM
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Trump is not unique as much of the fertile ground he reaps has been developed over generations starting with plutocrats and white nativists.

This dynamic has gone from openly racist policies, in the USA, anglo world and Europe, then tempered by 'dog whistling' from the Goldwater era, now the the volume has been turned up.

Meanwhile the GOP is concerned because their tactics have become a self defeating strategy, i.e. manipulation of uneducated, white working class into believing that immigrants etc. make them miserable, when in fact it's the silent privileged white and wealthy who benefit.

Plutocrats have been allied with white nativists for a long time, it didn't star with Trump.

Worse for the GOP is this tactic or strategy, according to Cafe con Leche Republicans, they are not only being manipulated by nativists but are becoming unelectable.... just so a minority of rich bigots get what they want?

'has manipulated the Republican Party with the bogus argument that immigrants invariably become Democrats and so immigration is contrary to the interests of the Republican Party. Direct quote:

The goal is to change Republicans’ perception of immigration so that when they encounter the word “immigrant,” their reaction is “Democrat.”

Our plan is to hire a lobbyist who will carry the following message to Republicans on Capitol Hill and to business leaders: Continued massive immigration will soon cost you political control of the White House and Congress, given the current, even division of the electorate, and the massive infusion of voters about to be made to the Democratic side. We are about to replay the Democratic hegemony of 1933-53, fueled back then by the massive immigration of 1890-1924.'

This about enduring class and race war, so while Trump supporters rail against identity, immigrants, minorities, trade agreements etc., they are merely being used to make a lot of noise, but they will be shafted like 'other types' by the white wealthy elites.... who are slowly but surely being absorbed into diverse societies, unless of course their national socialist nirvana can be created.
Posted by Andras Smith, Sunday, 20 March 2016 8:52:31 PM
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