mhaze

Your last post was somewhat patronising.

As stated there are thousands of peer reviewed papers published each year in relation to climate change, the science of climate change does not hang on whether Dr Mann's hockey stick is debunked.
However, as shown a number of studies have agreed with Dr Mann's conclusions as shown in the second diagram of reference.

http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/11/30/mcintyre-mission-obsessive-quest-disprove-michael-mann-hockey-stick

The arguments about the hockey stick are being recycled again, meanwhile the climate is changing.

The fundamental principle that CO2 and infrared radiation react has not been touched. Just saying it is not a strong effect is meaningless without showing proven Physics to support the view.
The sun is in a dimming phase at present, climate should be cooling. Yet two very recent papers using different strategies show that the Oceans are warming.

Interestingly even though it is still winter in the USA the weather forecast is for high temperatures and there are fire warnings currently put out for Oklahoma, Texas and Colorado.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/18/us/warm-weather-february/index.html

Oklahoma and Texas over the last years have been hit by severe drought, severe flooding and now are at risk of fire at the end of their winter period.

Tasmania has had severe continuing fires, a sub alpine area that hasn't been hit by fires for over a thousand years has been destroyed, there had been severe flooding, and smoke from the fires has lingered for weeks exceptionally unprecedented . All very unusual compared to past fires. The Mercury, Fairfax papers and a number of online papers have discussed the Tasmanian fires. The fires were almost solely started by dry lightening strikes, an unknown phenomena in Tasmania.

http://gizmodo.com/a-global-tragedy-is-unfolding-in-tasmania-1758130617?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=Gizmodo_facebook

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/earth-on-fire-a-catalyst-special/SQ1398H001S00

Latest news about temperature for January 2016 and the state of the Arctic:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/02/18/scientists-are-floored-by-whats-happening-in-the-arctic-right-now/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_green

ant,

"Your last post was somewhat patronising. "

That's not true. My last post was COMPLETELY patronising. Lets' face it, this thread hasn't been your finest moment.

So far you've:

* been found out just wantonly fabricating quotes,
* making claims about special knowledge that you clearly didn't have
* made assertions about paleo-climate data which were utterly wrong
* refused to even try to provide evidentiary support for those wrong claims
* refused to read a paper which demonstrated that your claims were wrong
* asserted that the author of that paper didn't understand his own paper

And then laughably you claim to follow the science.

mhaze

i'd be very interested in the quotes that I have made up.
As you would realise by cutting and pasting quotes to Google you can find the source.
Deniers provide very few references, those they do produce have often have no scientific merit, e.g. Taylor, Watts, Jo Nova, and Monckton.

You are not able to debunk the ARM 11 year study, Physics.
The references I provide are often completely up to date.
I read the science and thats where whatever I write stems from.

mhaze, you do not have science to support you so now resort to personal attack.

This and another similar article came my way today:

http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/18/no-winter-for-the-arctic-in-2016-nasa-marks-hottest-january-ever-recorded/

The Arctic is plainly in quite a mess.

The other article about the Arctic:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/02/18/scientists-are-floored-by-whats-happening-in-the-arctic-right-now/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_green

References to Oceans warming:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-01/uob-cco012516.php

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/18/world-oceans-warming-faster-rate-new-study-fossil-fuels?CMP=soc_567

Phytoplankton are dying in the Indian Ocean, warmth seen to be the reason:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/phytoplankton-rapidly-disappearing-indian-ocean

This also arrived today:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/02/17/warming-oceans-are-turning-sea-stars-to-goo-and-killing-lobsters-scientists-say/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_green

Star fish and lobsters are dying due to warm waters.

mhaze

I wondered about you suggesting that I had fabricated a quote, it came from Science, your need to be registered with them before being able to access papers two or more years old.

You could register; and find the truth in what iI have stated.

This is the quote:

"Our global temperature reconstruction for the past 1500 years is indistinguishable within uncertainty from the Mann et al. (2) reconstruction; both reconstructions document a cooling trend from a warm interval (~1500 to 1000 yr B.P.) to a cold interval (~500 to 100 yr B.P.), which is approximately equivalent to the Little Ice Age (Fig. 1A). This similarity confirms that published temperature reconstructions of the past two millennia capture long-term variability, despite their short time span (3, 12, 13). Our median estimate of this long-term cooling trend is somewhat smaller than in Mann et al. (2) though, which may reflect our bias toward marine and lower-latitude records.""

From:

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/339/6124/1198.full.pdf?sid=bddc088d-11d5-4ac8-a40a-f4aae6733cd4

Join Science and see who needs to apologise.

mhaze

To make it easier to register with the Science Journal, it is published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), Google: Science AAAS

A few interesting references received today via email and Facebook:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-02-17/global-warming-crushes-records-again

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/time-to-protect-a-global-treasure/news-story/ff5986aa6159d495de1c1a04554992ff

https://cage.uit.no/news/ice-age-blob-of-warm-ocean-water-discovered-south-of-greenland/

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/02/19/3750787/republican-clean-energy-pac/

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/feb/19/republicans-favorite-climate-chart-has-some-serious-problems

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/02/18/kiribati-president-climate-induced-migration-is-5-years-away/?utm_term=0_29c928ffb5-2643c430f3-327786693&utm_content=bufferbb150&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

http://grist.org/business-technology/big-oil-could-be-hit-with-a-wave-of-oil-company-bankruptcies/?utm_source=syndication&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=feedgrist

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-sea-ice-record-low-again-20044?utm_content=buffer1b125&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

http://mashable.com/2016/02/19/cyclone-winston-threatens-to-devastate-fiji/#T9YyoB4TvqqI

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/weather/seattle-breaks-winter-rain-record-set-in-1999/?utm_content=buffer748d1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=owned_buffer

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-congress-shell-climate-change-20160218-story.html

An extremely interesting interview with a Geologist, arrived yesterday:

http://nautil.us/issue/33/attraction/why-our-intuition-about-sea_level-rise-is-wrong

All of those references have come to my inbox in the last 24 hours, except for the last.