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Cosmic cycles, not carbon dioxide, control climate : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 20/1/2016

The warm days, seasons, years and epochs have never been a deadly threat to life on Earth. Frost, snow, hail and ice are the killers.

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There is one aspect to climate change that I think we can all agree on; that is, the climate has always been changing.
Also, we can agree that the sun has slight changes in its intensity periodically.
Right now the sun is in a dimming phase, which means temperatures should have been going down. Just to get it clear...dimming sun equals lower temperature on earth. But......temperatures have been going up.

Cosmic rays have also been discounted as a current influence on Earth's climate.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cosmic-rays-not-causing-climate-change/

https://www.skepticalscience.com/cosmic-rays-and-global-warming-advanced.htm

The Japanese Meteorological Agency has stated that 2015 has been the warmest year on record and 2014 was the second warmest.

Anthropogenic climate deniers like to use satellite data as a means of pushing their views on warming. The irony is that because satellites do not directly measure temperature quite complicated calculations need to be employed to reach temperature. Surface temperatures are measured from the same spot at the same time on a daily basis, not the case with satellites.
Surface temperatures have been continually measured for well over a century.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/jan/18/ted-cruz-fact-check-which-temperature-data-are-the-best

Robyn Williams, Science Reporter has stated that he is sick of climate change contrarians continually bringing up the same arguments that have been debunked; which is exactly what Viv has managed.

Of interest:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/18/world-oceans-warming-faster-rate-new-study-fossil-fuels

The 11 year ARM study based at two locations shows the direct relationship between CO2 and radiated infrared long waves:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150225132103.htm
Posted by ant, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 1:30:30 PM
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https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-noaa-announce-2015-global-temperatures-climate-conditions
Posted by 579, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 1:35:58 PM
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Viv. Excellent article. However, you will never get past the climate 'deniers' that still hold desperately to the 97% climate scientists meme and the poor deluded deniers that still believe the 'evil CO2' nonsense. Keep plugging along and let the climate record the veracity of your clear, readable and sensible assessment as you have presented.

The universal variabilities you have identified here cannot be shoehorned into a computer model no matter how hard they try. Well done.
Posted by Prompete, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 2:22:22 PM
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Keep up the good work Viv, if you can. It is obviously a hard task trying to educate those with their fingers in their ears, & their eyes shut.

This is a difficult subject. We have the greenie ratbags, obviously one in Melbourne, who will freeze to death before they would admit their pet theory is wrong. Then we have those simple souls who simply accept what their TV tells them.

Thank god we have some Donald Trump's, who will shout the obvious truth.

The ones who confuse me are the Rhrostys. Reasonably smart people, who can usually cut through the bulldust, & see the facts. It is usually damn hard to pull the wool over these people's eyes. It usually takes sound proof before they are swayed. How it is that some of these still fall for a totally unproven bit of fluff really surprises me. At least these will see the light as it becomes a little more obvious.

So do try to keep up the good work Viv, it was some like you, & JoNova, with solid facts, that started me thinking. It was soon obvious where the truth lay, & others see it daily, thanks to these efforts.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 3:04:18 PM
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Viv forgot to mention that the Earths circle around the Sun is really elliptical & the Sun is not in the centre of that ellipse & the Sun itself does not rotate on it own centre, it wobbles around slightly off centre. Sometimes the Earth is at a greater distance from the Sun in Winter that would make for colder Winters especially when the Earths tilt it away from the sun. & Vici Versa & that's where we are now. Closer & tilted towards the Sun in Summer. But the Climate frighteners won't mention that.

Someone's making money out of generating Fear. Just like fear Advertising. It's all hype to put fear in to people so someone can cash in on it.
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 3:09:56 PM
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Jayb, We circle the sun in a eclipse with a common that the sun also circles. However this "cycle" has a duration of one year. While this does have a small effect of the summer for the southern hemisphere its not much. most of the seasonality is caused by the tilt of the earth.

Captain Col clearly you need to have another read of my post. Also can you tell me what power generation process doesn't require lots of public money?

@Curmudgeon "and never mind the propaganda sites" mate this stuff is thrust out in science journals not opinion site, you know places where Author would be laughed at.

@neverwas "Trump", says it all.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 4:22:19 PM
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