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Suppression of free speech: the real fear of social unrest : Comments

By John de Meyrick, published 24/12/2015

The real risk of dividing the community, with respect to the PM, Duncan Lewis and Alan Tudge, is in not allowing for free speech on such issues.

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When commentators bring up free speech they really mean restrictions on polemic delivered to "other than private" audiences by members of the bourgeoisie.
We Proles are not encumbered by political correctness, we don't see ourselves as connected in any way to the upper classes nor do we aspire to their social mores or way of life.
As the author points out the scenario keeping the bourgeois voter awake at night is not a breakdown in social cohesion it's a unification of the ethnic subaltern and economic underclasses inspired by demagogues and subversive elements from the proletariat.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 24 December 2015 10:59:26 AM
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Yeah Johno de

We, the Broederbond * of the Liberal-National Party's (Abbott lovin) extreme, demand to be liberated from DG ASIO, Mr Lewis's, polite suggestions of moderation and humanity.

We demand freedom to be hateful and intolerant like our hot pinup girl Saint Pauline of Ipswich.

Merry Christmas

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_Broederbond
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 24 December 2015 1:33:10 PM
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Jay Of Melbourne,
Can we have a translation into Australian vernacular please.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Thursday, 24 December 2015 5:20:58 PM
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David,
Social cohesion is a liberal concept designed to protect Bourgeois and Elite interests.
Those upper strata of society use political correctness as a tool of repression against the workers,the welfare underclass and some ethnic minorities, an iron fist in a velvet glove if you will.
Their biggest fear is not disunity across the board it's ethnocentrism among the lower classes and class solidarity among ethnic groups led by demagogues and subversives from among the educated and skilled workers.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 24 December 2015 9:30:26 PM
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Another well reasoned and extremely well written article by John de Meyrick.

I found that his most interesting fact was that Muslim countries completely reject the notion of Human Rights. This brings up the oddity, that the people in Australia who consider the International Declaration of Human Rights as the new Ten Commandments, are the ones most fanatical in defending Muslims.

Cuckoo. Cuckoo.

It is just amazing how ideologues can completely ignore any inconvenient truth which contravenes their ideology. Even when that truth poses a direct threat to their own ideologies continued existence, nothing less than total adherence to the sacred texts of the ideological ideal can be accepted.

Lefties claim that they believe in free speech, and then they demand the importation of people into Australia who are the very ones most opposed to free speech. They do this because the "right" of non discrimination apparently trumps the "right" of free speech. When the very people they imported demand an end to free speech, then instead of attacking the values and beliefs of the people they demanded must be imported, the Lefties agree that free speech must be curtailed. They do this because to criticise the people they demanded should be imported could be seen as racism, and racism is complete and total anathema to their ideology.

It just goes to show how stupid people think. Stupid people demand moral absolutes to guide their lives because they are too stupid to want to even think about changing the principles which guide their lives. The idea that changing times will always obligate a rethink of those principles to allow for changing circumstances, is heresy.

Maybe this is another reason why lefties favour Muslims. Lefties and Muslims both believe in unchanging moral absolutes. As two groups of totally stupid people, they have a natural affinity for each other.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 25 December 2015 3:25:55 AM
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In terms of Left or Right it matters which direction you head off, the journey in either concludes where they meet up at Totalitarianism.

Totalitarianism is where opportunity to believe, to think, or to speak differently to others is condemned.

Is free speech enough ?

For decades Commonwealth purports its' claim of Constitutional authority to qualify rights and responsibilities of Australians using Racial Identification as their measure.

Commonwealth authority maintains their segregation of our family - all Australians by birth.

Commonwealth's refusal of legal assistance protects their pretense of legality for apartheid and segregationist policies from challenge.

While Commonwealth seeks a vote to support their racist policies, to approve their segregating Australian families.

Is it Parliament or the People Voting Who amend our Constitution ?

IF Commonwealth successful must we wear racial labels ?

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Posted by polpak, Friday, 25 December 2015 5:59:41 PM
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The idea the leftist idealogists preach,
Which is intolerance is the cause of war and conflict.
Is just plain simplistic and wrong.

And so they think by enforcing tolerance in the community
They can engineer peace.

The real cause of war is big tribal groups,religious tribes,included,
fighting over control of government or in reality, control of territory.

When we get a tribe here one day,with the numbers to challenge the ruling
Tribe for power, there is no way in the world their silly love and tolerance
enforcement laws will stop it.

We see the beginnings of it already in these so called terrorist attacks in our once
Peaceful cities.
So what is the leftist solution, oh, it is all our fault because we haven't been
Tolerant enough, smash free speech or any attempt to say maybe it is the
Fault of Muslim belief systems.

These attacks are really about wanting to overthrow European control of this country
And establish Arab rule. That is the basic reason when you get right down to the
Nitty gritty of it.
The fools that set this up so that it was inevitable, are still trying to stop it
With tolerance. Well, they don't want your tolerance and love, they can't feed their families with that. They would rather have the land and the territorial wealth it provides
them. In fact that's why they come here in the first place.
they don't care two figs about our hollow words of love
and peace, but they will use it against us until they get the numbers.

You think some of the so called educated classes could understand this,
But they have been brain washed in our schools by the hippy ideaology
Of love and peace brother,or tolerance will stop conflict.

Not so. Because it is not caused by intolerance in the first place,it is caused by terrotorial hostility.or in other words economic control.
Posted by CHERFUL, Friday, 25 December 2015 11:27:13 PM
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cherful.
No it basically boils down to the fact that a few thousand idiots across the nation refuse to grow up and still hold to undergraduate dreams of heading a column of oppressed brown peasants in a Bolivarian or Maoist styled revolution to overthrow the Liberal party.
Yes they are that mad and that out of touch with reality.
I've stood in a crowd at a Reclaim Australia rally next to Asians, Indians and Sudanese people listening to speeches from an Arab ex Muslim and a Pakistani Christian while people from the ALP, Greens and Anarchists screamed "Smash the Nazis" at us.
The ALP, Greens, Socialists and Anarchists have no valid point of view, no viable political platform and no plans of action beyond screaming slogans and beating people up.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 26 December 2015 6:02:52 AM
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I think that when we consider so called "radicalisation" that we ought not consider that it is something that is occurring to our adversaries alone, but rather that there is the very real possibility of each and every one of us being radicalised to one extent or another.

Every time someone experiences fear or loss for example ..

See even here how elements are becoming more and more extreme in their considered solutions to the so called "Islamic Threat" in parallel, and like the so called extremists are also easily beguiled by ideas that do not stand up to scrutiny.

It brings to mind that poem which says something about not losing your head when all about are doing exactly that ..
Posted by DreamOn, Saturday, 26 December 2015 10:18:53 PM
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' I've stood in a crowd at a Reclaim Australia rally next to Asians, Indians and Sudanese people listening to speeches from an Arab ex Muslim and a Pakistani Christian while people from the ALP, Greens and Anarchists screamed "Smash the Nazis" at us.'

yep Jay and according the abc news reports you are the bigot. If reality does not support the 'multi cultural' narrative then you have no right to point it out. Numerous ex muslims are speaking out but unfortunately fools won't listen to them.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 26 December 2015 10:51:20 PM
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Jay of Melbourne
I Agee with your assessment of the Greens and the Leftists Alp,rabble
Who form the opposing groups at Reclaim Australia demonstrations

It is also very telling when watching how violent their lot
Is at these rallies. It is always the less rational who are the most violent.

The pitchfork rebellions are always a possibility,just look at the massive
Rebellion in Syria.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 26 December 2015 10:57:28 PM
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Runner, agree with what you say, also.

DreamOn
"In parallel, and like so called extremists we are all
easily beguiled by ideas that do not stand up to scrutiny"

Who says the idea, that our long term peace and security,is threatened by groups, who
want to form apartheid,religious tribes and set up enclaves and different laws
to Australian law, doesn't stand up to scrutiny. The whole of the history of mankind
proves that it is a threat, and does stand up to scrutiny.

But don't tell our greens and leftist hippy, types that. They believe in Hippy love,
And peace ideology not in the real facts of history.

They are so surpremasist, in their love and tolerance,ideology thinking,
They believe that they alone, in all of history, can stop tribal,territorial ,warfare.
in the short span of their lives, as compared to thousands of years of history,
where it has never stopped. They must be cleverer and greater than any
Other human beings that have ever lived on this planet.

I dispute your idea that the threat from fundamentalist,religious,tribes
does not stand up to scrutiny and the observation of historical facts.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 26 December 2015 11:49:52 PM
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Cherful.
Groups like the UPF are not reactionary, they're very much a product of multiculturalism, there were no "White" Australians when I was growing up, nobody used the word to describe themselves, it's the Left who carved us all up into tribes.
Granted the people promoting multiculturalism probably did not intend to create a nativist, identitarian mindset among Whites but it was a forseeable result.
I'll give you one example.
My daughter's high school had one of those diversity training days where a group of otherwise unemployable Lefties come to the school and run workshops and role plays and such.
There was a sort of pep rally at the beginning where the facilitator was asking all the kids from different ethnic groups to jump up and wave their arms in the air or whatever "Now all the Chinese stand up, Well done! Hooray! Now the Italians!" That sort of thing.
My daughter said about half the kids just sat there and the actors, once they'd "included" all the non Anglo kids just moved on to the next part of their programme.

12 year olds ask questions when they come home from such events, filling out the worksheet she was sent home with she asks "What nationality are we Dad?", I answer "Australian" and she frowns and says "No, like my friend Sophie is Greek, Lin is Chinese", "Oh OK, well we're White, my ancestors are Irish, English and German and Mum's half English half Czech.
We "righties" didn't make these stupid rules, we didn't create "Whites" and if we're extreme it's only through taking multiculturalism to it's logical end point, a mosaic of ethnocentric "communities" graded by social class and material wealth.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 27 December 2015 6:26:30 AM
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It's a conveyor belt of progress. Just before you grew up, Catholics were outside main Australia (as in US before JF Kennedy). So academics lost out on appointments if they had that religion and so on. Italians and Greeks after the war needed to wait a generation before being Oz. Maybe ethnic identity is helpful but has a down side.
The next gen of Muslims evidently are moving on and may pull the outsider activists with them.
Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 27 December 2015 6:48:08 AM
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Anyone who thinks we have democracy,is a fool. Central Bankers finance and run our Govts. Unless we have monetary sovereignty,there will be no freedom. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 27 December 2015 7:50:51 AM
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CHERFUL,

you misquoted me, but not to worry. Thereafter, I did not refer to any particular idea (amongst the many) that in my opinion would not stand up to scrutiny - however ..

..

The present situation as it is in Australia which some view as a multicultural catastrophe (of sorts) cannot be solely attributed to the efforts of the so called left side of politics. Main stream politicians as a whole have all contributed to one degree or another.

But here again, if the majority of people did not want that, then why do the majority of Australians continue to vote as they do?

But then, how many of the alternatives to the mains stream politicians do you see on the ABC Runner? Precious little I would say
Posted by DreamOn, Sunday, 27 December 2015 5:36:46 PM
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Nicknamenick,
<Catholic academics could not get jobs in early times in Australia.>

I remember the fundamentalist Catholic mindset in earlier Australia.
Other Christian churches were more moderate.

It was the other way around in my memory. It was well known that there were
Shops and businesses who only employed Catholics.
In fact it was these employers who asked job applicants what your religion was
At job interviews.
Also the Catholics in those times were expected by their families to marry into
The Catholic faith. People also were advised not to marry Catholics because they would be expected to embrace the Catholic faith.
Another example of a fundamentalist religion dividing society up into opposing groups.

Luckily, due to the separation of church and state and the modern thinking of other
Christian churches and the society around them,they moderated some of the more
Oppressive fundamentalist rituals and archaic rules they had.

Also the government ruled it was inappropriate to ask someone what their religion was in a job interview.
Today Catholics and mainstream society happily marry each other, because the Catholic Church fits in with mainstream thinking better than it did in the past.
Although I think the Vatican still adheres to the disallowing of contraception,but
Most of the good Catholics out there disagree with him on that.

Yes the Italians now fit in very well with Australian society. I still wonder though if ever
War did break out between Australia and Italy, what side they would choose to
Fight for. They probably would also admit to a confusing conflict of loyalty
If that happened.
The loyalty to bloodline is very strong in most species and that includes the human
Species. Hence the saying. "Blood is thicker than water"
Posted by CHERFUL, Monday, 28 December 2015 12:14:48 AM
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Dream on

If you meant that iit is a human failing in general to filter everything
Through their own lense or belief system that is frighteningly true.
Posted by CHERFUL, Monday, 28 December 2015 11:06:42 AM
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Yes, I think that you are making a very valid and interesting point there *CherFul* A point that is worthy of its own thread as much could be said.

Health and in particularly mental health is something that is best subjected to a process of ongoing review i.m.o.

And I would add that one of the Golden Rules of mental health is that you can't always rely on what your own brain is telling you.

Of course, the rational and critical faculties can be overwhelmed, but if still intact, can be used to reflect and scrutinise ourselves (as well as others) and is crucially important if one wishes to develop personal insight as well as a degree of empathy with the position of others.

Even if it is only a case of:

" ... Keep your Friends close and your Enemies closer. ... "

..

Critical thinking needs to be taught, and from a much earlier age in my view, to make the able more able, shall I say.

It is in detail in one regard characterised by what lawyers are taught at Uni and teachers are not.

;-)
Posted by DreamOn, Monday, 28 December 2015 1:50:15 PM
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Hi Cherful,

Maybe my memory is faulty, but I seem to recall that, although Italians were interned in Australia during the war, there wasn't a single case of sabotage, terrorism, etc. Nor, of course, from amongst the thousands of Jewish aliens interned either. Nor amongst the handful of local Japanese interned. I'm not so sure about the Germans, although there may not have been any cases of sabotage, etc., by Germans during the First World War, even though they were treated pretty shamefully then.

Similarly, in the US, where tens of thousands of Japanese were interned and lost their homes and farms for good - it seems that there was not a single case of sabotage. Somebody could put me right on that.

Since there are no Muslims interned in Australia, there is even less reason to expect any acts of sabotage, terrorism, bombings, murders, etc.

i.e., unprovoked acts like the murder of Carson Chang, or the couple in the Lindt Café, or the attempted murders of police officers.

And, of course, there was the terrorist attack near Broken Hill during the First World War. All best forgotten :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 9:46:48 AM
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We need retain a focus on where we agree, rather than where we differ.

Extremists ideas need be publicly debated and challenged.

Relations of extremists frequently sort support when recognized their own difficulty to challenge such thinking.

Far to often their requests for assistance without success, so community needs such support being easier to obtain.

BTW am aware Police try provide such support, but why ?

Education is where such thinking can be identified and challenged earlier.

Education however often concentrates ("tick boxes") on suspending or expelling "difficult" ones as "problems", leaving them to be identified then resolved elsewhere.

Such provides "difficult" minds illusions of justification, reinforcing their faulty pathways.

Previously difficult time and cost, while now much easier to arrange so "difficult" minds receive specialist counseling at low cost, using internet video conferencing removes need physically be in same place, so much easier to provide specialist assistance for scattered "difficult" minds.

Doing so enables redirection of "difficult" thinking, when simpler, before serious consequences occur and political knee-jerks flow about keeping them in cells, preventing their return...

Is delays to address foreseeable problems which fails the cost effective tests.

Need is to challenge earlier such thinking, not wait until such ideas entrenched so reject, avoid, hide from attempts to discuss.

Must challenge ideas where challenged to thinking normal, where ideas challenged need respond and withstand scrutiny.

When ideas withstand scrutiny, yet make uncomfortable, they need be moved to areas for wider public debate, to resolve - like here :-)

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Posted by polpak, Sunday, 3 January 2016 8:20:22 AM
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