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Klein confused and unpersuasive in Change : Comments

By Jonathan Rutherford, published 17/12/2015

One is left to wonder, if Germany should be our model, why bother criticising capitalism, globalisation, consumer cultures, and imagining alternatives?

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A few more recent references.

Instead of being green during short summers, areas of brown are being found in the Arctic.

http://climatenewsnetwork.net/rapid-warming-brings-arctic-changes/

Article from British MET office:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/news/2015/global-average-temperature-2015

Apart from permafrost thawing, a shift from snow to rain other matters discussed in relation to Arctic:

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/common-thread-at-2015-agu-conference--the-big-melt

ExxonMobil express a different view on climate change than Republicans

Quote:

"It’s a Through-The-Looking-Glass world. The Washington Post reports Sunday that ExxonMobil has a far saner view of global warming than the national Republican party.
Fred Hiatt, the paper’s centrist editorial page editor, drops this bombshell:
With no government action, Exxon experts told us during a visit to The Post last week, average temperatures are likely to rise by a catastrophic (my word, not theirs) 5 degrees Celsius, with rises of 6, 7 or even more quite possible."

From:

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/12/07/3728921/exxonmobil-warns-catastrophic-global-warming/
Posted by ant, Monday, 21 December 2015 10:00:11 AM
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ant

Your endless incantation of religious liturgy is quite tedious.

All your appeals to authority cannot get around the inconvenient truth: the data do not support your theory. Carbon dioxide levels have gone up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up. And temperatures have not. End of case. You are wrong. The rest is religious zealotry on your part.

As for your back-to-front economic theory, your idea that a government statutory monopoly is "free market capitalism" is just stupid. So is your idea that governments confiscating trillions from the productive class, and handing it out to their pet favourites, is "free market capitalism". You are only demonstrating that you either don't know, or don't care, that you are talking complete bullsh!t.

So go away, grow a brain, learn some intellectual dishonesty, and when you are able to deal honestly with the actual data and evidence in logical fashion, you can start to learn about the subjects you are opining about, and not before.

Til then, the rest of us are justified in regarding your persistence in error as both illogical and dishonest
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 10:30:45 PM
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Learn some intellectual honesty, I meant. Evading questions that prove you wrong either way you answer them is just dishonest, ant. You need to understand it's not science, you are not supported by science, your illogic is not science, your appeal to authority is not science, your support of lies and propaganda is not science, your assumptions are incorrect and not science, your circularity is not science. . You are just a sad religious zealot following a sad religious fashion and mindlessly worshipping the State, that's all.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 10:34:33 PM
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Jardine makes personal attacks but provides no evidence through providing any science.
Posted by ant, Thursday, 24 December 2015 5:55:04 AM
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ant

That's a bit rich, from someone who entire theory is that anyone who challenges your religious beliefs in global warming is a "denier". At no stage have you ever engaged with the issues or proved when challenged. The onus is on you, not me, fool.

The fact that you think a statutory monopoly is a "free market", means you are intellectually disqualified from any public policy discussion.

Your idea that "science" means what you admit is a logical fallacy proves that you are intellectually disqualified from any discussion of global warming.

In any event, your claims about global warming are disproved to your own standard here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/19/world/middleeast/scarred-riverbeds-and-dead-pistachio-trees-in-a-parched-iran.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1

here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/amazon-threatened_56500a64e4b0258edb31b709

here:

http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2015/12/video-reviews-what-exxon-knew-said/

here:

http://climatenewsnetwork.net/rapid-warming-brings-arctic-changes/

here:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/news/2015/global-average-temperature-2015

here:

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/common-thread-at-2015-agu-conference--the-big-melt

and here:

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/12/07/3728921/exxonmobil-warns-catastrophic-global-warming/

Your own fellow-alarmist, Aidan, has described your intellectual method as "fraudulent dishonesty".
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Friday, 25 December 2015 11:23:36 PM
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Jardine

You are beginning to post even more troll like posts than previously.

Hopefully other readers will go to the references you have provided; originally sent in by me.
Posted by ant, Saturday, 26 December 2015 9:39:11 AM
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