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Australian multiculturalism is a strong stream with many tributaries : Comments

By Vic Alhadeff, published 9/12/2015

The success of a multicultural society - and its failure, as is increasingly evident in parts of Europe - is predicated on a symbiotic relationship between majority and minority.

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Yuyutsu,
I couldn't care less if you are included in the 'we' of mainstream Australia. But like it or not you are living in a monocultural society, so if you don't like it I suggest you leave.

Yes the system we inherited did give us beer drinking, horse racing and fox hunting, none of which is bad. There are many alien cultural practices that are far worse that we could import or operate here now secretly.

Our culture is not perfect but is far better than most and I want my grand kids to enjoy it
Posted by Banjo, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 8:36:23 PM
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If Australia was still a mono cultural society, then there would only be Indigenous Australians living here. All cultures who migrated to this land after the Aboriginals were added to the cultures living here...thus it is a multicultural country.
Any fool can see that.

We are also a very successful multicultural society, and one that is prized as a migrant destination from many other countries. If anyone is not happy living here in our multicultural country, please feel free to move ...
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 10 December 2015 1:47:46 AM
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I am going through a period of questioning about multiculturalism. I was once a huge fan of multicultural richness as an antidote to the oppressiveness of bland monocultures.

However, I now find myself wondering if multiculturalism is all it's cracked up to be. At this stage, I honestly don't know anymore about its benefits. And I honestly don't know what my final assessment will be.

What makes me question multiculturalism is that so many ancient cultures have been so decimated by war, economic sanctions, destabilisation and regime change that migration has become the only option for many people who want a peaceful life. I can't believe that people actually want to uproot themselves from their ancient cultures and leave their family and friends, their jobs and their communities for a life in a culturally foreign land in which they will always be a suspect minority.

I also despair at how the origin countries must feel about having so many of their skilled workers leave for other countries, thus draining their societies of valuable workers.

In terms of the 'host' country, there are so many problems that it must deal with. The belief that new arrivals drain the public purse and take jobs away from the 'host' workforce has been grossly downplayed, but is still a significant problem. So too, the problem of people's concerns about foreign cultures and religions taking root in their own ancient cultural spaces is unfairly framed as bigotry.

I myself am the grandchild of refugees from Ireland, who felt - rightly or wrongly - that centuries of British rule had left them with little hope of a future in the country in which they were born and raised. In recent times, I have embraced my Irish roots and decided to return there to live. It's hard to describe, but the sense of belonging in Ireland has been overwhelming - a feeling I never had in Australia.

To be continued ...
Posted by Killarney, Thursday, 10 December 2015 3:57:39 AM
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Hence, I am coming to increasingly question what the real agenda of multiculturalism is. There seems to be some global agenda to uproot people everywhere and create all kinds of cultural mix-ups and flashpoints, while claiming that this is all a good thing.

As I said at the beginning of this post, I really don't know how I feel about all this. But I suspect we are being conditioned to accept multiculturalism as some inevitable natural order of things.

Now I'm not so sure.
Posted by Killarney, Thursday, 10 December 2015 3:59:29 AM
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Yuyutsu, sorry but there is such a thing as 20/20 hindsight & when you use it multi-CULT-uralism was made up by Trotskyists at the height of the cold war to destroy western capitalism. Monoculturalism works, it is intelligent, sensible, practicle & reasonable. Rome fell because of accepting refugees & the islamic crusades, HISTORICAL FACT.

Episode six: The Fall of Rome
At the start of the 5th century AD Rome was under siege, Rome was defenceless, even the remnants of its garrisons abandoned their posts. The events that brought Rome to the brink of disaster had their roots in a betrayal two years earlier.

Alisdair Simpson’s opening narration
The Roman Empire is under barbarian assault from Huns and Vandals. Emperor Honorius’s chief general and adviser Flavius Stilicho has negotiated a treaty with the Goth leaders Alaric and Athaulf, but the Emperor has him executed for conspiracy. Honorius orders Olympius to slaughter all Barbarian families within the Empire and the survivors flee to Alaric’s camp. The Goths sweep through Italy to set siege to Rome, trapping the Emperor’s sister Galla Placidia within. Senator Atalus rides to the Imperial capital at Ravenna and Honorius agrees to the Goths' demands.

The Goths withdraw but Honorius break the agreement, sending reinforcements to Rome that Athaulf intercepts and eliminates. Alaric speaks directly to the Senate and they elect Atalus as Emperor, but Honorius has Rome’s grain supplies cut off and Atalus loses authority. Alaric travels to meet Honorius at Ravenna but is ambushed by his old rival Roman General Sarus, who is beaten into retreat. Alaric finally takes Rome, and captures Galla Placidia. Following Alaric’s death, Athaulf marries Galla Placidia and his people finally settle in Southern France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome:_The_Rise_and_Fall_of_an_Empire

it is very simple really Rome took in 40,000 refugees & like ALL left wing governments it over promised, under delivered. So the refugees rioted, left the refugee camp, looted the treasury, looted the homes of senators, took the Emperors little sister hostage & moved to Southern France. When the islamic crusades began Rome was too weak to resist, fell & the dark ages began.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Thursday, 10 December 2015 4:50:18 AM
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Dear Banjo,

<<Yes the system we inherited did give us beer drinking, horse racing and fox hunting, none of which is bad.>>

Drinking, gambling and killing... Muslims are only into the last vice of the three.

<<Our culture is not perfect but is far better than most and I want my grand kids to enjoy it>>

Nobody even suggests to take away the "pleasure" of your corrupt culture from your grand kids if so they wish, including even drinking, gambling and killing. If however they don't, then not even you can make them "enjoy" it, yet you wish to force it onto others who definitely have no joy out of it and your only excuse is that the British navy happened to take this continent by force some 240 years ago.

<<But like it or not you are living in a monocultural society>>

The jury is out: I'm asking my friends whether this statement is correct and yet to receive an answer.
(and just before posting, I notice that Imacentristmoderate suggests there are actually two cultures here, one s/he calls "closet communists", the other "wowsers", while Suseonline adds the aboriginal culture to the list)

Regardless, I'm not going to leave because I haven't came here for the culture. I came to live in this continent because other places were worse - the Australian culture for me is basically a nuisance which I somehow need to live at its fringe rather than having to live at the fringe of some worse culture.

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Dear Killarney,

I think you have overlooked the possibility of people being fed up with their culture of origin. One doesn't even have to migrate in order to seek a new culture, only if one's culture is oppressive.

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Dear imacentristmoderate,

I am glad that Rome fell: I hate even the thought of still having to live today under Roman rule (most likely as a slave)!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 10 December 2015 7:00:31 AM
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