Anybody who talks about Amnesty International giving anything at all "credibility" is backing a loser.

Binoy Kampmark, like Amnesty International, has a huge chip on his shoulder when it comes to the West. He somehow manages to reconcile his dislike and contempt for us with the priviledge of being educated at Cambridge, and taking the Australia dollar at RMIT.

Such integrity!

ttbn

Naturally Binoy Kampmark has a huge chip on his shoulder. His name is too similar to Harvie Krumpet http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bsBs0ebrB3M/UvluCWKV7ZI/AAAAAAAAAek/rEC5t_t4cRg/s1600/024.+Harvie+Krumpet.jpg

The bribes certainly tested the Honour of those righteous gentlemen, People Smugglers.

Thank god we had a man with some guts in Canberra for a while. Without him this clown author would be so happy. We have a whole great bunch of illegals here to support for the rest of their lives, or until we actually go broke, perhaps the more probable.

What's the betting the current slime ball goes to water, & like the KRudd, lets the flow start again?

Hasbeen,

You have great imagination or make things up...the vast majority of asylum seekers granted refugee status in Australia have jobs and/or started small businesses; are paying taxes and contributing to our society.

Possibly contributing more to Australia than your good self?

Seems that Peter King doesn't bother with, or know anything about, statistics either. The "vast majority" of Muslims - 85% - are still on welfare 5 years after they arrive.

ttbn...typical Australian newspaper based hyperbolic rubbish.

"The unemployment rate for recent migrants and temporary residents combined was 7%, compared with 5% for people born in Australia. Migrants with Australian citizenship had an unemployment rate of 7%. Temporary residents had a lower unemployment rate (5%) than recent migrants on a permanent visa (9%) (Table 2)."

From the "6250.0 - Characteristics of Recent Migrants, Australia, Nov 2010" on the Australian Bureau of Statistics web site.

if you are going to quote statistics or criticize for lack of them at least get your attributions right!

Masbeen's "huge bunch of illegals" is statistically 2% higher than the bogans.

ttbn, Hasbeen, correct again,

Peter King, so you are proud of Muslims taking jobs away from Aboriginal & White Australians? nice

Save Qantas, let them arrive by boat then fly them home.

Peter
Stats from the "6250.0 - Characteristics of Recent Migrants, Australia, Nov 2010" on the Australian Bureau of Statistics web site.

Stats recorded before the influx of over 55,000 illegal boat people on 884 boats arriving on our shores during the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd debacle.

Let's re-visit this report 10 years down the track and compare specifically stats for welfare payment increases and other benefits continuing to be paid by Australian Taxpayers.

Report will provide Australian Taxpayers with further info as to where our "tax dollars" being spent.

Peter King,

I didn't "attribute" the figures to anything; certainly not The Australian. I was referring to official stats. Clean yourself up before to tell me what to do.

It appears that no one on here knows what happened.
The vessel concerned was on its way to New Zealand.
When intercepted the crew told the Captain that as they were on a
voyage not to Australia and the navy could not legally interfere with them.
This I suspect is true.
However would it be likely that such a vessel would be capable of a
Trans Pacific voyage ? For that was what they were undertaking.
For the sake of humanity it was reasonable to bribe the crew to return to Indonesia.

It would be one thing to go fishing around Indonesia but a voyage
across a large slice of the Pacific is another matter altogether.

What say you Hasbeen ? You have been there done that !

Peter King - You probably believed the Labor government when they claimed on March 1st 2013 that ''a handful'' - or five or less - refugees had been charged with a crime.

They conveniently forgot to mention they following ones.
1) In Australia, 71 asylum seekers have had their community release revoked by the government, including ten who were charged with criminal offenses, eight who were found to be national security threats by ASIO and 12 who absconded.

2) A Sri Lankan man accused of murdering his girlfriend before fleeing to Australia on an asylum boat was released into the community on a bridging visa in 2012.

3) Four people in community detention have been charged with animal cruelty, theft and assault, while four on bridging visas have been charged with stalking, custody of a knife, and assaults.

4) Police have been called to asylum seeker housing five times over assaults from November 2011 to December last year. Four asylum seekers living in the community have since absconded and are yet to be found.

5) In detention centers across Australia, asylum seekers who have not had their refugee claims processed since the government began a "no advantage" policy in August have been involved in 56 critical incidents and 155 major incidents in two months to October.

6) 18 had their residence determination cancelled on behavioral grounds between October 2010 and December last year.

7) Alleged offenses include a mugging at knife point by a group of asylum seekers, indecent assaults, drunken behavior and cases of domestic violence which have not been pursued by the victims.

8) At least ten asylum seekers released into the community have been charged with crimes including a mugging at knife point.

Continued

9) Asylum seekers convicted over detention center riots in March 2011 have been granted protection visas by the government and allowed to stay in Australia. Four of seven people convicted had their refugee applications considered on character grounds, which allows the government to reject refugees who engage in criminal behavior, and were granted a protection visa allowing them to stay. Only one has been removed, another is set to be kicked out and a third is in the community on a bridging visa.

These figures do not include approx 20 that have escaped from detention facilities in the last 2 weeks.

Since I posted these figure in may 2013 the number of crimes by refugees is very high.

Now what do you have to say about Government figure and what they say.

There's the law and then there's common sense.

Paying the people smugglers to take the asylum seekers back
When they weren't going to be allowed to Stay in Australia and Indonesia had made
A complaint about Australian navy ships breaching their territorial waters to
take Asylum seekers back, it made sense to have the smugglers
Take them back.

This is the same Indonesia, that had not one navy patrol boat
In those same territorial waters between Australia and Indonesia at the
Hight of the extremely lucrative people smuggling racket.
The author of this article doesn'T mind every avoidance of legal channels
by Indonesia and the people smugglers and asylum seekers, but
Rabidly shouts, "against the law!" at our government.

There in lies the whole problem with the civil liberties and their human rights
Law courts.
It has been said that the law is an ass, and in terms of common sense versus
The law rule book our law courts are indeed being made an ass of, by
Those who do not have the welfare of the west at heart.

When it comes to the open borders mob dreaming up something, anything, to get outraged about, the idea that the Australian Border Protection people were smart enough to pay the crews of illegal immigrants to take them back to Indonesia would have to be the silliest.

Notice to Binoy. We just don't give a crap. we applaud it. we don't want Australia looking like the sort of country you fled from before you came here and actually got paid very well by us taxpayers to work against our interests.

When you wanted to immigrate, you did not choose Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, or Pakistan. The reason why was because these people are dangerous and the societies they created through their medieval cultures are not fit to live in. We don't want them in our country either. You may be able to avoid them in Australia on the sort of money that you earn, but us ordinary Australians have to deal with them every day and we don't like them.

So give your feigned moral outrage to somebody who cares

"The number of offenders proceeded against by police in Australia during 2013-14 increased by 4% (14,508 offenders) to a total of 405,692."

Australian Bureau of Statistics 4519.0 - Recorded Crime - Offenders, 2013-14 Quality Declaration
LATEST ISSUE Released at 11:30 AM (CANBERRA TIME) 25/02/2015

So again the "threat" from refugees is minuscule in terms of crime as compared to the GUP (Great Unwashed Public of dinky di aussies) and yes over the next 10 years refugees may be disproportionately represented in the unemployed as you would expect because of cultural, educational and vocational issues.

Hardly worth losing sleep over and certainly doesn't justify the government's abandonment of international law.

Daily Telegraph Feb. 9 2010

Sydney has Australia's largest proportion of Middle Eastern-born residents, but in a city of more than four million people they still number only about 120,000. Undeniably the community is disproportionately represented in criminal activity. You only need to go to the jails to see what NSW prison's officers have come to call their "Gaza Strip".

The Age August 20, 2012

SUDANESE and Somali-born Victorians are about five times more likely to commit crimes than the wider community, a trend that must be addressed to prevent Cronulla-style social unrest, police warn.

Exclusive police statistics also show immigrants were behind a quarter of robberies, a fifth of sex assaults, abductions and kidnappings, and 3792 assaults. But the 2006 Census shows that 1.17 million people, or 26 per cent of Victoria's population, were born overseas. The anatomy of crime in Victoria, obtained by the Sunday Herald Sun, shows those born in Somalia, Lebanon and New Zealand had the highest crime-per-population rates in Victoria. They are followed by Turkish, Vietnamese and then Australian-born criminals.

Australian Institute of Criminology

research reveals that certain source countries for the Australian immigration program produce criminals at a rate far exceeding their population proportion, hardly a desirable outcome for the future of Australia.

The Age Feb 30 2007

A young rapist who attacked a 63-year-old woman and three teenagers in three days has been jailed for 24 years. Hakeem Hakeem, 21, the father of a two-year-old boy, blinked, but showed no emotion when Justice Murray Kellam imposed sentence. Justice Kellam said the crimes, which he described as horrific, violent and debauched, took place about a month after Hakeem arrived in Australia as a refugee from Sudan.

Herald Sun Feb 4 2007

Denmark's Government this month issued a report suggesting migrants from non-Western countries cost the state $3.5 billion a year, while those from the West contributed $450 million in taxes. It added that by toughening up its immigration laws in 2001, mainly to deter immigrants from poorer and Muslim countries, Denmark saved itself $10 billion over 10 years, largely in social security payments

A ship leaving any country to voyage to another country has to get
a clearance from the Harbour master including a passenger list.
None of the boats did this and the Indonesion authorities waved them
goodbye rather than enforcing the law and preventing them leaving.

Peter
I refer to meeting of Hizab ut Tahrir - Innocent Until proven Muslem? oh please!

As reported on news earlier this week and in today's telegraph - I quote from today's Daily Telegraph "Sydney Muslems should shun government counter terrorism programs and disrupt police investigations, Islamic organisation Hizab ut-Tahir says. The Sydney-based organisation claimed the federal government was forcing them to become "Aussie Muslims". The government targets the Muslim community under the guise of counter-terrorism policy, seeking to mould the community in the way it wants - a way unacceptable to Muslims".

So the Australian Government has just spent $47M on what? after this rant from Hizb ut-Tahrir.

If we as taxpayers are paying for this - all those that don't wish to assimilate and embrace our Western Culture - please leave.

The $47M from Australian Government could be re-directed to our homeless, and many other well worthwhile causes.

Bazz

You summed it up in a nutshell.....end of discussion.

Pity others don't have the same view.

Hey you know, Peter King is right about one thing. Many of these Muslim gate crashers have gone into business, & very successfully too.

Just look at the huge numbers of them succeeding in the drug trade. Talk about a success story.

Drive by shooting is another area where they far exceed the locals.

Then the stand over industry. Barely a fair haired bloke to be found in that industry today, the drive by shootings have frightened them off.

Got to give it to them, they have found lots of ways of making a dishonest quid, & not one of them pays taxes, although they find the single parent payments are great for supporting their multiple women & kids.

Hasbeen

The "elephant in the room and our Society" is called Hizab ut-Tahir.

The other "elephant" in the room being our Australian Government..why don't we shut these people down with their extremist rants/views? or is it too hard, or maybe they will lose some seats in Government if they speak out? Is speaking out against radicals - politically incorrect?

Most Muslims in Australia do support and have assimilated to our Western culture, the Muslims I speak to - and there are many - do not support Hizab ut-Tahir's views, and are concerned with "radicals" purporting to speak for and on behalf of "all" Muslims in Australia.

So I implore our Government (on behalf of us, including our multicultural citizens/friends of Australia) in having to listen to the spiel of Hizab ut-Tahir - "grow a pair" and address those "radicals" (Hizab ut-Tahir) who purport to speak on behalf of all Muslims in Sydney......he doesn't.

You are completely wrong, SAINTS.

In the name of equality and non discrimination, the Australian government should now set aside $47 million dollars for each and every other religion in Australia, to prevent Buddhists, Jews, Christians, and Hindus from being "alienated" and "marginalised."

The reason why Muslims are crazy and violent is because of us. It is our fault. We should give the Muslim Dane geld to stop them from killing us.

Indeed Lego, actually it has a formal name, it is called the Jaziz tax
or something similar. It is the tax we pay for being allowed to exist
on moslem lands.
I think the amount depends on how big is the tax collector.
Any land where moslems live is moslem land and don't you forget it !
If you refuse to pay the tax the sentence is death.

A relative is a prison officer and yes it is true they have to have
separate wings etc for the moslems. They are trouble makers and their
areas are knicknamed Gaza Strip.

So far moslems have the record for police station shootups.

Does anyone really not believe that ultimately we will face
insurrections like they have in France where the Gendarmiery (spell)
are needed to put them down ?

I doubt if the police have suitable squads for that and the army will be needed.
After all where are those stolen RPGs that were bought by moslems ?

My concern (for us Aussies) being this person Hizab ut-Tahir is allowed to continue his rantings in a public forum whereby he claims "The government targets the Muslim community under the guise of counter-terrorism policy, seeking to mould the community in the way it wants - a way unacceptable to Muslims". What the?

To me (as an Aussie) this is soooooo extremely offensive. I note meeting (from TV) showed young men and women listening to his "message".?

These people go home with a certain "mindset" as they believe in his speech/spiel. These families obviously have children.

What message is being imparted upon their children (our future generation/s) as to their/any assimilation with western culture in Australia, when parents are listening to such above spiel from

continued

I wish to acknowledge some "positives" for Muslim children enjoying Australia culture.

The Canterbury Express November 3 2015 - Girls from the Al Noori Muslim School are showing there are no barriers in sport. Al Noori physical education teacher and girls sports co-ordinator Samira Mustapha said it was a chance for the girls to take up competitive sports.

She said there was a "common stereotype" that Muslim girls did not like playing sports. They haven't always had the opportunity or platform Ms Mustapha said.

"It's really about showing there are no barriers. Sport doesn't target a particular language or background. It doesn't matter where you come from. Just my point. Congrats to the girls.

LEGO,

Could you link me to the article that you have taken your AIC quote from please? I've tried my darnedest to find it but cannot find anything on the AIC's website - with or without quotation marks.

I don't mean to sound like I don't trust your quotes, it's just that I don't trust them given how goddamn unreliable they've been in the past.

Thanks.

It's funny too that a conservative like yourself would refer to an organisation that is apparently working towards the New World Order though. o sung wu spent decades in the NSW police service and even he thinks that the measly $10 million per year spent on the AIC - that makes the police services around the country hundreds of millions of dollars a year more efficient - would be better wasted on more police resources that didn't know what to do with the extra staff and shift hours because they had no-one who knew where to allocated the additional resources.

"Australians" are "Bogans" and 'the Great Unwashed", Peter King?

Gee, that's funny. If I was to call immigrants "wogs", I am sure that you and your comrades would be hopping about in self righteous apoplexy, and calling me a "racist!"

Thank you, thank you, Peter King.

I was once a young, left wing internationalist humanitarian like your good self. But it was exactly this kind of contradiction which made me reconsider the whole left wing humanitarian ideal, and got me thinking straight. You can't call Australians "racist" if you call white Australians a racist name. My teachers at school could not train me to spot racism everywhere, and then not see it for myself in the very so called "anti racist" ideology that they were trying to shove down my throat.

It eventually became clear to me, that "anti racists" like yourself are very racist against white people. Anything that ever went wrong in the world could be blamed on white people, with a little pushing and shoving of the facts. White people were damned if they did, and damned if the didn't.

In addition, those university types who never stopped preaching about the equality, were the very ones looking down their noses at me. The contradictions, double standards, outright racism, half truths, and worse, from the multicultural left, got too much for me, Peter. I reached the tipping point, became objective, and realised that I had been worshipping a false God.

You are claiming without attribution that immigrants have only a 2% higher rate of offending than those contemptible Australian "Bogans." Please display to all of us how you obtained that figure. I know that you will not do so, because it is all a load of crap. Failure to do so will simply reinforce my opinion that you and your friends already know that you are wrong, but like every other rabid idealist, you see nothing wrong in lying to defend your bankrupt World Saving ideology.

Hi AJ. Sorry, I missed seeing your post and I only just realised that it was there.

I have a database which mainly consists of articles copied from newspapers. If I see something significant, I copy it into my file, along with an attribution. Attributions are important because I often get asked where I got the information from. Unfortunately, I did not write down where I got that one from.

I think I remember writing it down because it contradicted the AIC white wash about ethnic related crime. The AIC gets a couple of criminologists to write up a paper on some specific item of crime. Sometimes they get a team who are spot on. And sometimes they get a team who are politically correct and who are not averse to decorating the truth. the AIC put out a paper on ethnic related crime and it was the biggest bunch of BS I have read for a long time. They tried to say that it ethnic crime not exist, that it was a figment of the public's imagination, that it was all caused by media sensationalism, and anyway, even if there is a bit of ethnic related crime, we must remember that the poor ethnic criminals who rape, rob and bash Aussies are suffering from trauma because many of them were refugees.

I presume the quote I gave was from another team who were more concerned with objective truth than with inconvenient truths which found the holy orthodoxy of multiculturalism wanting.

And I hope you read 'the Australian" newspaper last week. It seems that NSW's prisons are bursting at the seams again. When I read it, I thought about you and your claim that crime in Australia was decreasing.

Oh, and I am not a conservative, I am a social progressive. You are the conservative, who is trying to prop up a failed ideology of left wing, multicultural humanitarianism, which is now the official state religion. Heretics get hauled before the Anti Discrimination Boards and shown the instruments of torture. The times, they are, a changin', AJ.

LEGO,

So in other words, you invented the quote. Or you seriously twisted it before posting it, because you can’t (or won’t) provide the original.

Instead, you pretend that there are honest criminologists and dishonest criminologists. It’s only the honest ones that agree with your uneducated and over-simplistic understanding of certain situations, of course. Other than that. you have no criterion by which you make such evaluations.

<<They tried to say that it ethnic crime not exist, that it was a figment of the public's imagination>>

Yeah, I already called you to account with that crock of steaming, bubbling pile of… and you couldn’t support it back then either (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=17534#310813).

No, you’re happy to just lie and conveniently forget the links that support those lies despite having years-old links to unreliable newspaper articles (they’re all unreliable, by the way - It has nothing to do with what side of the political divide they support, which is why I rarely link to them).

<<It seems that NSW's prisons are bursting at the seams again. When I read it, I thought about you and your claim that crime in Australia was decreasing.>>

Oh, I was going to get into this here: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=17534#310115. You didn’t seem interested, though. Funnily enough.

It’s ironic though, isn’t it? That you would argue for increasing in crime rates while prisons are filling. Did it ever occur to you that that may be why the crime rate’s going down? It’s not, of course. But we can discuss the actual reasons now if you’d like? You seem to forget, too, that I debunked your, ‘crime is rising’ assumption before (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=17534#310813).

You’re a persistent fellow, LEGO. Not very bright, but persistent. I’ll give you that.