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The lawyer versus the negotiator : Comments

By Randal Stewart, published 26/10/2015

Parliament resumes this week throwing light on the leadership struggle between the Lawyer (Turnbull) and the Negotiator (Shorten).

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Parliament has a very different look now, with the business of opposition being once again a very hard slog, and a real contest of ideas once again! Rather than playing the man which is a lose/lose zero sum game now for Labor!?

The new Turnbull government wasted very little time winding back the nasties they inherited from the previous admin, and hopefully will win government next time around by dumping the garbage and indeed those hard right wing ideologues who created it? Perhaps given his current popularity, Turnbull can do a little arm twisting to increase the moderates/females preselected?

A Turnbull win, is probably the only way we'll get a nuclear power generation policy in this country, with a backward looking shorten welded determinedly in an interesting nation/economy harming juxtaposition, to coal and the green's renewables? One foot in either far camp like that must be a painful position? [

I like the new more pragmatic coalition and the 180 turnaround towards new technology and innovation, which should allow the forward looking states to abandon the great white elephant of a national grid and instead embrace a far more logical and vastly less costly localized power options/new technology? And the vastly improved economic options/opportunities that will enable? And much sooner!?

I like the new atmosphere of civilized courtesy that I now see during question time which was previously deteriorating into a shouting match only exceeded I thought by scientology advocates/idealogues screaming at investigative journalists.

Something else that must go is the extreme secrecy with which we deal with asylum seekers!

The only reason the nazis were able to get away with what they got away with was the extreme unchallenged secrecy with which they conducted some of their more extreme inhumanity, was the success with which they withheld it from the general german public! Publicity that every last crumb of push/pull sugar has been taken off the table can also work as a deterrent!

If we are to move back toward the centre, the place where all elections are won? Then it's something the coalition need to address ASAP!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 26 October 2015 10:08:12 AM
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Hollow man Short suffers from being weak in many areas.

He is unconvincing on Unions and his lack of opposition to Abbott's Follow the US Into the Middle East policies discredited Labor.

If Shorten goes maybe Labor could perform as an actual Opposition party again.
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 26 October 2015 11:22:18 AM
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Rhosty, what exactly is the centre these days?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6n4rlIHH2U

plantagenet, we have no choice but to follow America everywhere, first there is ANZUS, second we cannot defend ourselves without them. BTW have you seen the above video?
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 6:07:11 AM
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Amazing how the leftist cowards will stay away from an article that might put them in a negative light these days, or won't give it oxygen.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Thursday, 29 October 2015 4:06:07 AM
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Randal Stewart, I believe, is endeavoring to describe different styles of issues management of different players.

I agree that each profession (or initial training) does have different styles for practitioners. Each PM described has has similar initial training but different outcome styles. So many ex-lawyers leading and so many different outcomes, depending on the issues and times, seems to support that proposition.

Prime Ministers must learn to apply within their separate political environments and their knowledge to reactive actions. We did not see such modifications and reflections from either PM Rudd (squared) or PM Gillard, and alas, I do not such an ability or environment for Contender PM Shorten.

What I observe is that Prime Minister Turnbull has an ability to ethically appraise a situation and modify his position by involving agents (Ministers) acting as advisors; in the development and promotion of policy. PM Rudd and PM Gillard treated their ministers more as manufactured agents to which they did not supply any consistency or loyalty.

Prime Minister Turnbull has displayed throughout his varied careers an ability to handle "rogue events". Having reflected on his first Liberal leadership's "rogue events" could it be that Prime Minister Turnbull has adapted his style so as to receive support from his party? Experience and ethics are powerful glues.

I do hope that the Labor party can create its own "rogue event" and bring Anthony Albanese into the Contender PM role rapidly. Contender Shorten is now a manufactured agent of the Unions and cannot expect reciprocal loyalty much longer.

Then our Nation can gain from suitable Government and Opposition. Going forward with suitable collaboration and friction.
Posted by Dicko in Tas, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 9:05:57 PM
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The GST will be interesting to watch. Negotiating not necessary; get rid of exemptions and ensure those needy and pensioners are compensated, as was the initial concept by Hewson that was then interfered with so much by political agency actors that the then first proposed GST lost its punch.

To be sure, negotiating or "lawerly" styles depend on the agency(s) you are representing.
Posted by Helen Dickinson, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 9:39:42 AM
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