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How the 2013 aged care reform package is playing out : Comments

By Lydia Paterson, published 22/10/2015

What this view overlooks is the fact that aged care facilities are required to meet a ratio of supported residents.

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The first paragraph to this sales brochure alerted me to what was to come.

From "unleashing exciting new opportunities to improve" we get to the nitty-gritty:

"About the Author ............. is CEO of Melbourne-based aged care brokerage ............." With a link to an Australian Company

Seeing one in your circle die off every other month, or week, is hardly "exciting new".
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 22 October 2015 10:36:45 AM
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All of this article points to the fact that often you are better off spending all your money by downsizing your home until you then have very little left by the time you are likely to need aged care, having had fun times spending the money before not being able to.

If you will still go into the same aged care facility as those who had to pay thousands in bonds etc before they could enter, then what is the problem?

Mind you, when I took my mother to have a look at a new aged care facility in our town, there were two separate dining areas. Both were very nice, but one had more plush tables, chairs, furnishings and crockery, as well as crystal wine glasses at each place setting.

Our guide explained excitedly that the nicer room was for those 'who could afford the higher payments'.
Mum decided she wanted the dining area where she could drink wine...
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 22 October 2015 11:28:46 AM
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Hi Suse

Wine is definitly a priority. I reckon it is an older, almost gone, generation who think useful and impressive are:

- crystal glasses (can't dishwash)
- silver utensils, and
- gold edged plates (you can't dishwash or microwave)

If they pay their last shekels for such "luxuries" gud luk to um.

Maybe I'm getting older and cranky ;-)

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 22 October 2015 12:08:50 PM
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This surely highlights the case for in home care provided in free market competition by innovative folks; and reportedly almost halving the cost of health care!

And putting control back in hands which are routinely deprived of it on the say so of a "Doctor" who may reportedly have never ever seen the "victim"/commercial opportunity?

And when a very valuable estate may be in play, sadly not all the players are there supporting the needs and or wishes of the elderly?

It is good, we now have someone (my aged care) looking over the shoulder, so to speak, of some or most of the players/providers?

Who would cost less if paid for outcomes rather than hollow meaningless service provision!? Which reportedly all but doubles the cost of healthcare in this country?

Some of whom seem to churn out nursing home patients almost as well as a butcher churning out sausages and almost as

The only time I had a conversation with or eyeballed my transit care Doctor was as I was

The last time I looked, a stroke is something that is entirely involuntary! Moreover I can report, I was sent home before any of the needed alterations were even commenced and without the promised incontinence.

My much maligned memory works as well as ever; in fact I can recall almost verbatim i.e. what John Howard said to a reporter at his first address after introducing the GST in the face of an 87% popular opposition.

When asked why a GST? He replied, well it was either the GST or a transaction tax, and a transaction tax was thought to be regressive. Nothing wrong with my usually reliable memory even if some folks would have important others believe otherwise!

I think this area of "care" needs a second and a third look if only to ensure the undefended are being accorded their due rights and in full measure!?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 22 October 2015 4:14:03 PM
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Apologies For some apparently missing words which should read, almost as thoughtfully, and secondly just as I was leaving. Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 22 October 2015 4:24:53 PM
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You are right Rhrosty, having worked in aged care community services areas for many years, I can tell you for sure that it isn't the Government, or even most of the service providers, that the elderly should be most wary of as they enter their most vulnerable years.
Unfortunately it is their nearest and dearest!

It always amazed me how many 'relatives, neighbours, and friends' pop up out of the woodwork just as the oldies edge nearer to needing permanent care or moving into the next life.
Suddenly there are several people they haven't seen for years trying to make helpful suggestions of what to do with their house, possessions, money, wills, power of attorneys etc.

Even worse is when their own children start squabbling over the spoils before the parent has even moved, or died. Siblings that had formerly appeared to get on, suddenly began trying to win favors with parents by putting down the others.
It is truly awful....
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 22 October 2015 11:47:11 PM
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plantagenet, i am with you, this is more spin from spivs who will rip people off, skiing the children's inheritance on aged care instead of holydays.

Suseonline, correct, this is about profiteering in aged care, we are already seeing the same in the NDIS.

Plantagenet, Pete, i hear where you are coming from but poverty creation through wasteful spending has been a growth industry for about half a century now. Our children have less ability to buy homes than we did. Our grand children are heading towards REAL poverty.

Rhosty, a part of this needs to be rebuilding the extended family unit so that home care becomes more easy & affordable. Look at China, one of the few things they are doing right is suing the children of elders who won't care for them because the cost of state run nursing homes is enormous. Do we want the land of OZ to be happier, healthier & wealthier or not?

Suseonline, those family problems you complain about have been promoted by antisocial leftists in the Arts, Entertainment, Media & Education industries for half a century now. The sheeple have been trained to be shallow & greedy.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Friday, 23 October 2015 6:35:26 AM
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Imacentristmoderate, if you think this widespread problem has anything at all to do with politics, then you are sadly mistaken.
People from all walks of life try to rip off their elders, no doubt about that.
Posted by Suseonline, Friday, 23 October 2015 9:42:16 AM
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Suseonline, darling, elder abuse is done by many people, i have been a victim of it many times myself, especially when it comes to protecting other elders. But that is not what i said, which was that "the antisocial attitudes come from antisocial training, which is 100% left wing".
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Friday, 23 October 2015 1:54:29 PM
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Lol! Ima... dearest....do you think 'bad' people only come from 'the left wing'?
That's a bit naive isn't it?
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 24 October 2015 12:50:32 AM
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suseonline, that is again NOT what i said, or have ever said. The center & right are not perfect, whereas the left is 100% evil, all people on the left are either totally evil leaders or misguided, idealistic fools, many of whom who should have woken up by now.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Sunday, 25 October 2015 5:40:14 AM
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Imacentristmoderate, so correct me if I'm wrong again this time, but by the 'evil' left, do you mean all the labor and greens supporters then?
So....ALL those people are evil then?
Do you get these feelings of paranoia very often?
Posted by Suseonline, Sunday, 25 October 2015 9:39:33 PM
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Suseonline, if it looks like a communist terrorist? waddles like communist terrorist? swims like a communist terrorist & quacks like a communist terrorist? then usually it's a communist terrorist.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Monday, 26 October 2015 7:38:58 AM
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Yep, just as I thought.....paranoia.....
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 26 October 2015 9:29:55 AM
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Suseonline, let me make it easier for you darling. Please name one single thing done by leftists over the last half century that has made the land of OZ a better place?
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Monday, 26 October 2015 2:26:21 PM
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Sorry Imacentristmoderate, I don't do 'left/right' politic chats.
I just take people as they are, regardless of who or what they follow.
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 26 October 2015 4:38:35 PM
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Suseonline, so you could not think of a single positive contribution to the land of OZ by left wing religion over the last half century but do not want to admit it? situation normal for a loyal, brain washed cult member.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Monday, 26 October 2015 11:35:11 PM
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Um, nah, wrong again Imacentristmoderate.
I don't vote for labor or the greens, so I couldn't care less what they have or haven't done over the last 50 years.
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 12:17:56 AM
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Suseonline, you routinely promote issues that are left wing. does that make you a fan of Malcolm Rudd & a small l Liberal or Labor lite?
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 6:30:05 AM
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No Imacentristmoderate, I always go for my local Nationals representative because I live in country WA and they have done a lot for our region. I know that means I more or less vote for the Libs, but I rarely put them second on my card!
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 12:34:03 PM
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Suseonline, then why are you so pro feminist in your comments if you understand conservative values?
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 3:26:57 PM
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Imacentristmoderate, do you always put people in such neat little boxes?
You can't honestly believe that all feminists are 'left leaning' as you put it, or that all misogynists are 'right leaning' for that matter?

In any case, we will soon get in trouble because we are way off the topic, so I will see you on another thread...
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 3:47:12 PM
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