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America's policy mistakes give Islamic State big breaks : Comments

By David Singer, published 28/9/2015

America's ongoing insistence on wanting Syria's President, Bashar al-Assad, removed from power continues to hinder American policy on removing Islamic State.

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The Reporter named Weir,
said in an interview on Television recently
that a couple of the well known men, who rose up to become
well known leaders of the Sunni insurgence and Isis were
American prisoners along with thousands of others but
they were all let go by the Americans, in the last days of
American occupation.

One of these men said to him, I'll see you in New York.
He was telling him what he intended right there.
If they let me go I am going to form an army and fight.

Civil law courts, cant be used as a criteria in war.
Now we in the West have to fight the same war all over again
because the do-gooders were always bleating on about
the American treatment and unlawful holding of those prisoners
Posted by CHERFUL, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 12:35:41 AM
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You seem to forget that the war in Iraq was shortly after 911 and Iraq wasn't even involved in this nor did they have WMD's.
The US should not have gone into IRAQ.

US foreign policy created this problem for itself.
Perhaps they should not have been torturing those people that should have never been there.

And heres your prisoners...
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/omar-al-shishani-isis-commander-and-us-2015-9
http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-nsa-documents-reveal/5391593
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 8:36:27 AM
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Hi Cherful,

Armchair Critic is right - we are being taken for a ride.

Here is a Youtube of General Wesley Clark describing what he called a "policy coup" that took place during the Bush Administration. He says neo-conservatives like Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld were influenced by a think tank called PNAC - Policy for a New American Century. They argued for a more interventionist US foreign policy. Clark recalls a meeting with neo-con Paul Wolfowitz, and PNAC member, who said that after the 1st Gulf War in 1991 they realised that Russia would not intervene and that they had 10 or 15 years until the next superpower emerged to take down old Soviet client states in the Middle East. Clark says that soon after 9/11 and the invasion of Afghanistan they drew up plans to invade 7 countries in 5 years - Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCwCgthp_E

Let's look at Islamic Fundamentalism - we are against that right? Wrong. Since the late 1970s the CIA covertly poured billions of dollars into funding the Mudjahadeen which morphed into Al Qaeda in Afghanistan to help oust the Soviets. They also funded Islamic training schools in Pakistan - Taliban means student.
Here is a clip of Hillary Clinton saying the US is responsible for Al Qaeda including encouraging the Saudi's to bring their Wahhabism (the most extreme form of Islamic fundamentalism) into Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. Look up Operation Cyclone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw

I know this sounds crazy, but stay with me.
cont'd
Posted by BJelly, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 8:49:34 AM
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ISIS is like Al Qaeda version 2.0. Thanks to leaked documents and interviews for senior US Pentagon officials like ret Lieutenant general Michael T Flynn, we know the US and it's allies such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey were responsible for ISIS. Here is an interview Michael Flynn gave stating that as head of Intelligence, he saw an intelligence report in August 2012 that the US was supporting radical muslim groups eg the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Nusra, Al Qaeda (the so-called moderate Muslims the US was assisting) to help oust the Assad regime in Syria - as well as the risk these groups might form a calaphate, but nothing was done - not just ignored, but worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3j8OYKgn4 - need to go 8 minutes into interview.

If you still think we are in the Middle East to spread freedom and democracy, look at this 1994 interview with Dick Cheney explaining that US was right not to take out Saddam Hussein as it would have been disastrous and could have destabilized the whole region - not just Iraq, but Iran, Syria and Turkey. If only he had been around in 2003 to stop the Iraq War - oh that's right he was Vice President in the George W Bush administration. We have now taken out Hussein in 2003, Gaddafi in 2011 and we have spent 4 years backing "moderate Muslims groups" (read Al Qaeda and ISIS) to oust Assad. It hasn't worked. Assad may be a tyrant, but he still has the support of the majority of his people, as they know what's coming if he goes - they've seen what has happened in Iraq and Libya, war and chaos, and they don't want that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY
Posted by BJelly, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 8:50:03 AM
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Good article. A copy should be sent to Barack Obama, and our Julie Bishop who appears inclined to believe that BO is not a problem.
Posted by Raycom, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 11:58:31 PM
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The problem is America's use of covert regime change.
The US was acting to destabilise Syria at least as early as 2006.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/washingtons-longstanding-plans-to-implement-regime-change-in-syria/5478035

Right now I'm half expecting some kind of false flag.
Israel/Hezbollah or Israel/Iranian forces in Syria or US/Russia.
Assad, ISIS, the US backed Rebels...
Don't know what it will be but just waiting for it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 1 October 2015 7:45:15 PM
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