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You don't know the half of it: temperature adjustments and the Australian Bureau of Meteorology : Comments

By Jennifer Marohasy, published 28/9/2015

The resulting catastrophic flooding of Brisbane is now recognized as a 'dam release flood', and the subject of a class action lawsuit by Brisbane residents against the Queensland government.

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Hi Bazz – I am assuming from your last post that you do not understand how we are warming the planet. Here is a very simple explanation. Consider three simple questions:

1. Why do you breathe?
2. Why is the sky blue?
3. Why does our earth not freeze during the night?

Breathing: you essentially breathe in to get oxygen into your body where it combines with carbon that is in all of the food that you eat. When oxygen and carbon combine, it releases much energy – that your body needs. In doing this, it creates carbon dioxide, CO2, which you breathe out.

Nearly all of the energy the world needs comes from the relatively simple process of creating CO2 – generating electricity, burning fuel in cars, planes and other transport, and much more.

Blue sky: the sky is blue because air molecules in the sky capture some of the blue light coming from the sun, then immediately releases that light – in all directions. So the sky is blue. Other colours in sunlight are not affected by the air, and so green and other colours come directly to us, in a straight line from the sun

Not freezing: the earth does not freeze at night time because the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere captures some of the heat trying to escape, and then sends it in all directions. Some of that heat comes back to the earth.

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Posted by Tony153, Sunday, 4 October 2015 4:34:53 PM
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Bazz - PART 2

So, carbon dioxide forms a blanket helping to keep the world warm.

We measure the amount of CO2 in the air.

We can also measure what was in the air many years ago. Air is captured when snow falls. The Russians drilled a 3 kilometre long core from the Antarctic some time ago. It shows the amount of CO2 in the air for the past 800,000 years.

During the many ice ages in that period, the amount of CO2 in the air oscillated between 100 parts per million (during the coldest phases), to 290 parts per million during warm periods. So, no more than 290 parts per million for 800,000 years.

Today it is 400 parts per million – first time for 800,000 years. And CO2 is part of the earth’s blanket.

Of course we are getting warmer – because the earth and its growing population is consuming more and more energy by burning fossil fuels to create that CO2 – and to get energy. All the time creating a thicker blanket to warm the earth further.

Absolutely the earth is warming - and we are causing it, and the science behind this greenhouse effect was known by the year 1900.

It is not very comforting to know what we are doing to this planet.
Posted by Tony153, Sunday, 4 October 2015 4:41:04 PM
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Tony153, you seem to inhabit a different reality, where the IPCC have not demonstrated that theCo2 science from the laboratory does not work in real life, or at least not the way that they apply it through their computer models.Tthe elevated level of CO2 in the atmosphere, asserted without justification, to be human caused,does not cause the temperature rise which they calculated. You also perceive“. The edifice of scientific knowledge showing the horrendous direction the earth is heading almost leaves global air temperature behind”, but you can reference no science to show that human emissions have any measurable effect on climate. You cannot explain why the “science” to which you refer, when applied by the IPCC, does not work, and in the face of their predictions of warming, which they baselessly attribute to human emissions, global warming stopped almost 19 years ago
You are in a bad way Tony. What you see as reality does not exist. Is there any substance abuse involved?. You cannot be as stupid as you pretend to be.
If the reputation of the BOM is damaged, it is by the conduct of the BOM. The aim is to stop them lying about our climate.
Posted by Leo Lane, Sunday, 4 October 2015 8:47:21 PM
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Hey Leo,
the IPCC does too track with reality so nyer nyer de nyer yer!

(That's about the quality of your baseless dogma-driven assertions without any link to credible sources for credible data for credible arguments. I just thought I would reply in kind so you know how puerile it all sounds).
Posted by Max Green, Sunday, 4 October 2015 8:54:40 PM
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Max, I have backed what I say with references. You will not read them, but denial that I gave them is dishonest. You do not have to continually demonstrate your dishonesty, you have satisfied us on that. Anyway, here is another reference:
“Per NOAA, the U.S. warming pause (aka the 'Hiatus') has now achieved a 19-year stall (see adjacent chart). In fact, a slight cooling has been the trend over this period.
Remember the predicted global warming by experts? The same "experts" who predicted that hurricanes would becomestronger and more frequent as a result of the global warming - which also did not happen.
As the empirical climate datasets reveal, the predicted global warming has amounted to about nil for close to two decades. And because of this, the global warming scientists recently resorted to exceptional fabrications of temperature datasets to produce "warming" that disappears the pause”
http://www.c3headlines.com/predictionsforecasts/

I know that you have no science to support your assertions, but posting nonsense, like you have, will not distract us from that fact.
Posted by Leo Lane, Sunday, 4 October 2015 9:25:17 PM
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Tony 153, I will assume you did not understand my post.
Let me put it again;

Because of the rising cost of extracting oil & coal there is not as
much oil & coal that we thought we will be able to burn.
The IPCC took this into account but their quantities have not been
adjusted to realistic values.

The oil companies are already in a bind. Their return on funds invested
in exploration and development are now very poor.
These costs are the cause of declining demand.
The oil companies are currently selling assets to pay dividends.
Shell sold its holdings in Woodside for that reason.
I notice that their drilling operation in Alaska has failed and they
are pulling out because the quantity of oil found cannot give a return.
Most of the majors are in the same boat.
Returns are less than costs. They increased expenditure to $trillions
in a desperate search for cheap oil.
All they are getting is expensive oil the economy has rejected.

The situation with coal is different. Many coal fields around the
world are now into expensive seams of coal. In the US most of the
cheap coal has been mined and power station are changing to gas.
Australia is in a better position. We will need our oil & coal to
build whatever is our next energy system, but it is certain it will
not be wind & solar excepting miracle developments.

So we have to leave oil & coal before they leave us.

It does not matter whether AGW is true or not.
It is the wrong argument !
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 4 October 2015 10:08:59 PM
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