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The Forum > Article Comments > Will Prime Minister Turnbull be the first Australian PM to visit Australia’s offshore detention centres? > Comments

Will Prime Minister Turnbull be the first Australian PM to visit Australia’s offshore detention centres? : Comments

By Kellie Tranter, published 23/9/2015

As a special treat he may hear patients being called by their boat number because, after all, there are so many people named Mohammad on the Island.

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Ho hum, more pious sneering and fake moral superiority from the left wing.

It was better when the refugees were drowning by the hundreds, wasn't it Kellie?
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 9:09:29 AM
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No doubt the people smugglers are looking hard to see if Turnbull has any true substance or whether he is just a blatherer who wants to tickle the ears of the leftist luvvies from the abc and universities. Surely he would not have the hide to take the credit for stopping the drownings and scrapping the breathing tax. Then again he did demonstrate great slime in taking the leadership, something the regressives are use of dealing with and excusing.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 9:41:40 AM
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The PM should take a look at what we were not allowed to know about, a failure to do that is carrying the burden himself. If what is happening there has an element of cruelty of illegality about it the centers should be shut down immediately. Mr Turnbull would be best to distance himself from detention.

Which is the best deal, disbanding the detention centres or paying places like Cambodia 15 million / customer to take them off our hands.

Abbott said the boats have stopped, but we are not allowed to know if that was actually a fact or not. Until we get some answers it is impossible to know. Turnbull is a more compassionate man and will have the makings of a good leader.

There are a lot of Runners at hand not knowing when they are on a good thing, doing it tough at the moment, can’t see past Abbott.
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 10:11:55 AM
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//It was better when the refugees were drowning by the hundreds, wasn't it Kellie?//

Why does stopping the boats have to involve keeping people in such horrific conditions? I thought the idea was to stop boats before they reached the mainland, not to subject them to cruel and unusual punishment for making the attempt. What's wrong with detaining them humanely? Animals in zoos are detained more humanely and we're talking about people here. And why do we need to detain women and children at all?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 10:30:05 AM
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Turnbull is likely to do anything, including returning border protection back to Labor standards and upping the number of "Syrian refugees". He is also likely to be stabbed in the back soon by that outhouse rat and Gillardian-type, Bishop.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 10:45:51 AM
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Ttt Instead of living in fear try living a life after toni. Everything comes to an end and some are more predictable than others.

By all accounts Turnbull should have more compassion for the environment. There is thousands of jobs waiting to happen with billions in investment. Instead of sleeping with coal, lets try what the world needs.

If Turnbull has got his head screwed on he will get an investigation going into detention centres and the stopping of boats to make sure everything is above board and further cleanse the Conservatives from the liberals. He would make a king out of himself in the eyes of the public. The non Conservative public that is.

Universities for the rich to be discontinued, that is a good idea.
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 11:14:56 AM
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"Why does stopping the boats have to involve keeping people in such horrific conditions? I thought the idea was to stop boats before they reached the mainland, not to subject them to cruel and unusual punishment for making the attempt. What's wrong with detaining them humanely? Animals in zoos are detained more humanely and we're talking about people here. And why do we need to detain women and children at all?"

They're not in horrific conidtions, they'are not being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. They're not being detained inhumanely. Your sexist bigotry is completely out of order and an abuse of human rights. And "we" aren't detaining them: the government is.

So once we subtract out the facile dishonesty, hysteria, state-worshipping fables and fictions, and bigoted sexism and double-standards of the ALP/ABC/moron approach, there's nothing left.

Tony, according to you and Kellie, rights are whatever the government says they are, remember? Why don't you offer to pay for the refugees to be kept at the standard you say they should be kept at? Try to understand that other people get sick of your fakery.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 12:30:40 PM
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The biggest thing holding women in Australia up is the attitude of men. Hard headed businessmen are more likely to be against the progression of women because they have not yet arrived into the 21 st century.

They see women’s work as tasks that are more readily replaceable, rather than front-line positions.

American women are far better accepted in top positions than women are in Australia. It’s the boy’s club attitude, and has nothing to do with capabilities.

Will there ever be change, incredibly slow coming, unless some sort of legislation can be formulated to assure women a 50% roll in top jobs.

Forced change would then become the norm, as virtually everything now is decided by men.
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 2:13:26 PM
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Doog, yep, sounds like a recipe for failure to me and since the failure of Liberal Democracy is in everyone's interests I'm all for gender equality at the government level. So give women 50% of the political appointments and watch the country burn to the ground, nothing says "failed state" like having women calling the shots.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:19:15 PM
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JKJ said: They're not in horrific conidtions, they'are not being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. They're not being detained inhumanely.

Well Amnesty International and the UNHCR disagree - but what would they know? They found conditions were not safe or humane in these detention centres.

What we know about facilities on Nauru - People sleep in tents with limited furniture - bunks, no chairs or tables. The tents are oppressively hot and leak when it rains. Water floods through tents. Tents not able to keep out mice and rats. Little privacy. On an island where there is high humidity and temperatures in 30s and 40s people get 30 second showers. Lack of clothing and shoes. Thongs wear out quickly on the rough rocky ground in the compound - difficult to walk on. It is very glarey with little shade. Staff get given sunglasses and hats, detainees do not. People complain of physical and sexual assault, but no action taken.

Manus - poor facilities. Described by Amnesty as resembling a combination of a prison and a military camp. Poorly maintained ablution blocks - dirty water on floor, not regularly cleaned. Overcrowding. Lack of clothing and shoes. Poor sanitation. Inadequate access to drinking water in location of high heat and humidity. Food of poor quality staff reported worms and flies baked into bread - causing health problems like diarrhea. Lack of shade. Insufficient facilities, lack of toilet paper. Lack of proper medical facilities. Two people died here in 2014.

Appalling. I saddened and sickened. Not even reports of sexual abuse of children are enough to stop the deliberate cruelty and take action. Our former PM's first response when told of these allegations “Occasionally, I daresay, things happen” Would he be so philosophical about it if it were his children stuck in one of these camps?

I tried to get a copy of the Morris report but it doesn't seem to be available online.

Here are some others
Forgotten Children Report
https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/forgotten-children-national-inquiry-children-immigration-detention-2014/12-children#a12-18

Amnesty International 2013 - Manus Island
http://www.amnesty.org.au/refugees/comments/33587/

UNHCR Report 2013 Manus Island
http://unhcr.org.au/unhcr/images/2013-11-26%20Report%20of%20UNHCR%20Visit%20to%20Manus%20Island%20PNG%2023-25%20October%202013.pdf

Senate Report - 2014 Manus Island
http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Legal_and_Constitutional_Affairs/Manus_Island/Report
Posted by BJelly, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 4:07:12 PM
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Amnesty International: now there's a lovely bunch, almost entirely responsible for Robert Mugabe.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 4:35:33 PM
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Well Miss Kellie

It just shows that in your flagging Whitlam's respect for Mao's China you forget how Whitlam undid himself by selling out East Timor to Indonesian invaders.

In a meeting with Suharto in Yogyakarta, Java, 6 September 1974 Whitlam told the Indonesian President that East Timor was too small to be independent and that, "independence would be unwelcome to Australia, to Indonesia and to other countries in the region".
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=16916

You also forget that the ALP's eventual refugee record and current refugees policies are very similar to the Turnbull Government's.

Which leaves you with one or two Green ladies as mates and no-one else.

It also leaves you with the latte chatterati of overpaid Sydney lawyers who have a few causes for show.

But in saying that I seperate myself from the ruck of knuckle dragging OLO dom. For they are Commoners all.

Yours

Poida
Footman to Malcolm the Charming
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 5:48:15 PM
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If Turnbull is as smart as they say he is, Kellie, he will not go anywhere near these "refugee" centres full of illegal immigrants.

The primary reason why Gillard/Rudd got the chop was because of way they encouraged illegal immigrants to pour unchecked into their country. The stupid Euros are now in the same boat and they are now living with the consequences of their own "compassionate" stupidity.

100 million people are born every year and most of them are born in third world countries who's economies have no hope at all of supporting them. These countries are dysfunctional and tribal, and in such places you can bet that one group will be on top and sticking it to another group. I am sorry that these countries have a culture which encourages large families, but that is their decision and they can live with the consequences.

What interests me most Kelly, is why you want to destroy your own prosperous and peaceful society? Is it because you are a moral puritan with Mother Theresa complex, and a one track mind, who can not see past her humanitarianism? Or is it just because you have been conditioned to think that your own people are disgusting, and only people with your views are worthy human beings? Do you want to destroy your own country because you have a self image problem and need to preen your ego?

Whatever, just in case you have not noticed, your position is getting more and more on the nose with the electorate. We only have to look at the Lindt café siege and the disgusting way that illegal immigrants act when they are denied entry into their desired destinations, to realise why these are people which nobody wants. They can go back to their own countries and shoot their priests mullahs, and witch doctors, buy condoms, create their own prosperous societies (look at the Asians) and stop invading my country.
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 24 September 2015 4:03:47 AM
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'If Turnbull is as smart as they say he is, Kellie, he will not go anywhere near these "refugee" centres full of illegal immigrants.'

no doubt he is smart however like Rudd his ego will more than likely undo him.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 24 September 2015 9:25:49 AM
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