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The leftist Angevin-Saudi nuclear headlock will never get off the ground. Just look at Sicily for example.
In a series of battles at sea and skirmishes on land, the Angevin forces were defeated by Aragonese-Sicilian ones. In one of the war's comical episodes, Charles and the younger Peter were to meet for a duel to decide the fate of Sicily, each accompanied by a hundred fighting knights. This was to take place in June 1283 at Bordeaux, capital of the neutral French territories of Edward, King of England. Each king agreed to appear with his suite but it was tacitly understood that each would arrive at a different time. Then each sovereign claimed that the other was a coward. In another incident, King Charles' incompetent son..and so on ad nauseam. I tell you..

Hi Lego,

You were the one who argued that a right wing military dictatorship like Pinochet's was preferable to a social-democratic government. I simply wanted to point out that life under Pinochet was not as rosy as you tried to make out. There was no economic miracle, but there was state sponsored terrorism of many innocent people.

I am no fan of dictators no matter if they are of the left or right - you cannot say the same.

Allende's government was not "centre -left", BJelly. They were hard core communists who immediately "nationalised" (another word for "stole") industries and tried to "nationalise" the Chilean farming community with "price controls" on the food that famers grew and sold, which peed of the peasant famers no end.

Chile's economy simply fell apart. People were starving because the famers would not bother to grow food at the ridiculously low prices that the stupid Socialist government was demanding. But what history had taught us was that when unpopular Socialist governments fell into disfavour with their own people, the Socialists did not bother having elections again. With Socialism, "democracy" meant, "one man, one vote, once." Every Socialist government on planet Earth existed only through force of arms.

Socialists seek power by appealing to the poorest members of society and claiming that they are their advocates. Their message is clear, let us take from the rich and give it to you poor. That is not such a bad idea in countries where the divisions between the few very rich and the mass of people who are very poor exist. Sharing the common wealth is crucial to social cohesion.

The problem is, that poverty can have a political or social cause, either through religious leaders encouraging unchecked population growth, or through the fact that the dumbest members of society usually have much higher fecundity than the smartest.

Socialists just want power, and that is why they will do anything to increase the numbers of poor in order to have a growing political strength. That is why they advocate unchecked immigration of unassimilable people from failed cultures into successful ones. The more unemployable poor, the better for the Socialists.

Socialists in advanced societies are usually grouped within those government services committed to helping "the poor." Increasing poverty means increasing job opportunities for Socialists, as well as growing politcal strength.

You must be in one of those jobs yourself BJelly, to advocate an historically failed system which depends upon creating poverty and social dysfunction to survive.

to Mr Nick.

What the Hell were you raving about in your last post? Did you forget take your medication?

" Apparently, he is just too dumb to think beyond superficialities when it comes to judging the House of Saud. "
Are you kept on ice?

Lego save yourself some time and reply to my posts not the posts you think I make. The centre-left government I referred to was a potential Corbyn government which you were arguing would be worse than a military right wing dictatorship.

Lego said "A right wing military dictatorship would be preferable to a democratically elected Socialist one"

If you believe in human sacrifice which you must if you think it is ok to kill, terrorise and torture people who committed no crime other than being leftists, leftist sympathisers and anyone who is perceived as a threat to corporate power, then that is your business. But don't try to make it sound noble because it isn't. It isn't ok when Communists kill people for their beliefs. It isn't ok when fascists kill people for their beliefs.

BTW the Allende didn't just fall apart - Nixon ordered the CIA to "make the economy scream" - to oust Allende. He was annoyed that Allende was even "allowed" to be elected - you know what that means don't you - the US government reserved the right to choose who ruled countries in Latin America - the people were not to be trusted to elect their own democratically elected leaders.

The CIA paid truck drivers to stop working to create chaos and food shortages - it was all part of the plan to bring down a democratically elected socialist government.

For the US there was nothing worse than having a successful, peaceful leftist democratic government on the its doorstep - it was not going to be tolerated.

Check out the CIA's own documents - they tell the sorry story behind the assassination of General Schneider to make way for Pinochet. The world-wide propaganda campaign against Allende, corporate sabotage including Telephone company IT&T's involvement - bizarre, but true!
https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/chile/