In ideological terms the politically moderate Turnbull should get on better with the Democrat Obama. Obama couldn't stand the rightwinger Abbott.

I agree that the German offering (the TKMS 216) for Australia's future submarine, is a more balanced design from the world's most successful submarine exporter. http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/the-type-216-strong-contender-for.html

Japan has a steep learning curve on how to organise an Australian build. The Japanese offering (not yet built) is definitly NOT military off the shelf. With Abbott gone hopefully his blind preference for a Japanese sub will go with him.

France is vainly trying to convert their oversized nuclear submarine design into a smaller conventional sub. http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/shortfin-barracuda-bid-maybe.html .

Pete

The subs should be built here, the employment is needed, and the expertise is also needed. We should be capable of all of our own military equipment. The idea of building in a foreign country is backward.

We could not supply the Bushmasters from the local plant here because the US policy says they had to be built local under license. That is what we need to do.

Free Trade Deals are ok, as long they do not have hidden time bombs implanted. Mr Abbott being what he was, has complicated the issues surrounding the FTD with issues that could have been better left off the terms of agreement.

Australia as an island continent that does not have divisions as to pay rates or living standards, and this should be closely guarded.

We do have problems with friends. Relationship with Indonesia must be repaired, and stay out of their internal affairs. Idiots know the rules of Indonesia, so they take their own risk. There is no place in politics with the welfare of drug runners.

Rather than building ALL 8 submarines in Australia I think the Hybrid Build Option should be taken up - where the risky first of class building and essential testing is done in Germany, Japan or France. (All three proposed submarines are new concepts - not already built/off the shelf.)

and

the 7 remaining subs are built in sections in Williamstown VIC, Adelaide and Henderson, WA.

Final assembly should not automatically be at ASC in Adelaide as this has been a proven recipe for overprice failure (ie. the Collins (also defects) and the Air Warfare Destroyers)

Pete
Submarine Matters
http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/

http://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/po-obamaj.html

And guess what, the political game is exactly that. The Bushes and Clintons have the same demonic ideology. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS. Masters of Deception for Divide and Conquer.

A Review of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals (Clinton and Obama frauds and war mongers)
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/4381/

The Obama Hoax Finally Revealed
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=766 (by exJew)

Globalism is an intro to Communism (The New World Order (chaos). Everything the corporates tell us, just think the opposite. A liberal, a progressive just think TYRANNY.

Everything they tell us is a FRAUD and BIG LIES! Sustainability really means destruction. Al Gore is a fraud. They have taken over all our liberties and have gagged us through emotional blackmail. Just look at the Syrian boy on the beach. How gullible can people be?

"MUST WATCH" "The Obama Deception HQ" Full length version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuWCR86kM_w

The replacement of Tony Abbott with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is worrying Japanese submarine sales teams in Adelaide and Canberra (including in the Japanese Embassy). There is concern that Abbott-Abe understandings to buy the Japanese submarine have now been cancelled.

Turnbull’s diplomatic style and attitude to any alliance with Japan is unknown. Abbott’s sudden closeness to Abe may need to be recreated by Japan.

Turnbull is politically a moderate while Abbott and Abe were kindred conservatives.

Turnbull’s wife, Lucy Turnbull, is powerful in her own right. Her most prominent past role was Lord Mayor of Sydney. Significantly she is the current President of the German-Australian Chamber of Industry and Commence - see http://australien.ahk.de/en/about-us/board-of-directors/ . She is reputedly familiar with the future submarine project from the German point of view.

Turnbull's current attitude to the China military threat may not be the same as Abbott’s. The views of Turnbull’s Defence Minister, Kevin Andrews or a replacement, may be more influential. The trilateral Japan-US-Australia alliance (or quadrilateral - adding India) is probably still the informal though not official policy.

It has yet to be confirmed in Hansard (officially recording Parliamentary House of Representatives statements) whether Kevin Andrews, who is still Defence Minister, stated in Parliamentiary Question Time (September 17, 2015) that perhaps 70% to 80% of new submarine work could be done in Australia. If so this may signal a change in policy. Note that the current feeling by industry in Australia is that Australia will order 8 submarines overall – not 12.

Perhaps in Japan’s favour is that Australia still appears locked into using the US submarine combat system - giving the US considerable political, economic and alliance influence over Australia’s choice of submarine.

more see http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/turnbull-government-and-australias.html

I believe Malcolm is doing a Gillard (both planted by CIA and the Illuminati cabal globalists). We didn’t vote for them, did we?

Goldman Sachs Betrayal Of America (Malcolm Turnbull set it up in Oz)
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=645

The Wall Street Wolves and banksters are coming undone. You'll see.

As JFK said, “Everything is a rich man’s trick”. They frickin killed him and bobby for wanting to break the power of the PRIVATE Federal Reserve and stop Israel from going nuclear (which they have heaps and are never investigated – duh?) and for Bobby’s investigation of the Zionist mafia.

http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2012/09/09/malcolm-turnbull-the-rain-man-who-speaks-with-forked-tongue/

Malcolm’s ties with the Dirty Digger Murdoch (another traitor and killer) who has a secret family history and is an Israeli citizen. They own practically all of the CONTROLLED media in Oz and about 45% in the rest of the world.

They have controlled the media for 100years and taught as a Marxist version of disinformation of our history. It’s been planned for centuries.

http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2015/02/08/malcolm-turnbulls-dirty-laundry-of-fraud-theft-will-destroy-the-liberal-party-if-elected-leader/

Constance

LOL

Do you think you may have a bad case of JOD (Jew Obsession Disorder)?

I believe there's no cure.

Constance "I believe Malcolm is doing a Gillard (both planted by CIA and the Illuminati cabal globalists). We didn’t vote for them, did we?"
"We" don't know who you voted for Constance, but I am fairly certain the two PM's weren't planted by the CIA...lol!

Maybe you are a relative of our other conspiracy bloke Arjay?

Malcolm's ego may exceed his Napoleonic modesty http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AHelJTuJ09c/Vftml49ytGI/AAAAAAAAxWU/iyyBQhVW_x4/s640/moir%2Bdream%2Bteam.jpg

stevenlmeyer,

No, I'm not the one with the disorder. It's you and your Elders of Zion fellow cabalists with the ideology of Supremecy psychopathic disorder.

Real Money And The Jewish Dialectic
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=985
John F. Kennedy Speeches (on Karl Marx & secret societies)
The President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, April 27, 1961

President John F. Kennedy
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, New York City
April 27, 1961
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Research-Aids/JFK-Speeches/American-Newspaper-Publishers-Association_19610427.aspx

Yes we all know that John F. Kennedy was Jewish and Jackie Muslim.

Kissinger was, and is, proto Catholic, you know?

What of it?

Constance

Oh dear.

I regret to say the diagnosis is confirmed.

Untreatable tertiary JOD.

Plantagenet,

I'm afraid when the disease reaches the tertiary stage brain damage is permanent. There is no point in trying to reason with the patient.

I know about your secret pallic worshipping bible, the Talmud.

And the Commie retorts of humiliation to those who speak the truth. Funny you pseudo intellectuals are unable to respond with proven evidence. War mongers.

Jewish site:
http://come-and-hear.com/download.html#flyers

Find out about the
Jewish People
* their laws * their culture * their religion

http://come-and-hear.com/editor/critwords_1.html
The Roadmap — Let the Rabbis tell us about the Talmud. Why is this fundamental book of Judaism unknown to most Americans?

"unknown to most Americans?" emphasis added.

Busted!

FBI says "Australian IS jihadist" is actually a Jewish American troll named Joshua Ryne Goldberg
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34253

Oh yeh, plenty of trolls about here too on this site. Yadda yadda.

http://www.shoah.org.uk/2012/08/19/saudi-royal-family-is-jewish-king-and-prince-are-all-jew/

The 'Refugee' Crisis and the Creation of Greater Israel
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34193 (see the maps)
It has become increasingly obvious that the flood of refugees from the Middle East is serving the jewish agenda of creating Greater Israel (Eretz Israel). In case you are unfamiliar with the concept, Greater Israel is the vast tract of land supposedly promised to the Israelites by Yahweh, stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates. Cont.. on site. Hhmmm, sounds fishy?

You mean to say, the real terrorists are the false J$ws (Pharisees). Surprise, surprise! Busted!

Zeitgeist - The Speech That Got JFK Killed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utYcFf93Srs

Hillary Clinton accidentally admits that the CFR runs this nation. Wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfpgl6NqF0I

Jimmy Carter unveils truth about Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtC_qzHVM4

illuminati and zionism busted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PTUx2NgpUg

Israelis Are Not Jews and American Leaders Are Not Christian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrWguVsEih0

Constance, please get some help for yourself.
I fear you are taking all this Jewish thing far too seriously.

Suse,

Condemnation of investigation is the height of ignorance. You have no idea of the ways of the world, girl. You say nada and condemn only. You have nothing to say about anything. You only attack. You tend to spend an awful lot of time on OLO. I thought you had a family and nursing work. Are you a paid troll?

Charming.
Constance, I did feel concerned for you, but not now.

This is an opinion forum and just because I don't agree with all your mad ideas, doesn't mean I am a 'troll'. It seems no one else agrees with you either...so who is the troll?

And....it is none of your business what I do or don't do with my life.
I am happy with Turnbull, and I doubt he has anything to do with any Jewish conspiracies or whatever you rave on about.

Errh, Suze

I believe his real name is:

משה מלקולם פְּנִייָהפַּר

And he's a member of Lodge 666 of the NSW branch of:

חברה יהודית בסוד כדי להרוס את היקום

(You'll have to look up the Hebrew characters these UTF-8 codes represent manually)

Thanks for that helpful info Stevenlmeyer : )

And still Constance's constant referencing of anti-Jewish sites, and other equally fascinating sites, appear to spell the death of a thread.
I don't know how they pass muster?