It had to happen...unless the Coalition wanted to go down like a screaming wreck at the next election.

I can't believe even die hard Lib supporters couldn't see the wretchedness of the govt's position due to Abbott and his "cunning plans".

The heat is now on Shorten - that should please some people around here.

(Has anyone checked on Hasbeen? - he won't be taking this well)

HI OTB,

You lightly assert that "Turnbull is as egocentric, slippery and populist as Shorten". I must protest that that is a most dreadful and hurtful thing to say about Turnbull, but the next few months should test that.

I WAS hoping for a Turnbull-Plibersek election, but of course, the way that the Labor Party chooses its parliamentary leader means that it is stuck with Shorten for a while yet. So is the Royal Commission :)

Wouldn't be dead for quids !

So will Turnbull go early or wait ? I'm predicting an election early next year, by March or April.

Joe

If he wants to stamp himself as a leader he should go DD as soon as he can to get the Senate back to a workable semblance.

Yep, it's a problem across the western world, globalisation seems to have made the old party formations redundant. New formations are required, perhaps the liberal environmental city based globalist groups need to form a new party and the suburban and rural groups could form a type of Christian democratic party.

I find Turnbull the most cynical, self-serving, self-loving, power-hungry individual ever to enter politics. His only commitment is to himself. Along with his nasty, mutton-dressed-as-lamb deputy, he will finish the Liberal party off.

I had aready decided to cast an informal vote, but the change in leadership has made me more determinec to do that. These galahs, after chastising Labor's Rudd, Gillard, Rudd coniptions, have done the same thing, and have lost all right to government. It no longer matters whether it is they or Labor who forms government next year. There is not much hope for Australia either way,

Joe (Loudmouth),

You are right, I did vastly undervalue Shorten in all of those respects.

Shorten is also a lay down Misere for lack of principles and ethics, but that goes without saying.