Quote Peter
"Cooling may be catastrophic, but warming isn't."
It is obvious that both when taken beyond a certain point are catastrophic. We know from past ice ages that a small change in the radiation balance amplifies temperature differences, due to such factors as the increased water vapour, albedo etc.

Global warming will and is causing sea level rise, even if global warming stopped tomorrow, the sea level will continue to rise for decades or more, until ice melt comes into balance with snow fall. There are a number of examples of coastal cities being severely damaged by flooding from the sea, and this problem will only become more severe as global warming continues.

http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/08/19/coastal-cities-at-highest-risk-floods

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/impacts/effects-of-tidal-flooding-and-sea-level-rise-east-coast-gulf-of-mexico#.Vf4hK30oQng

As an Australian I am not happy with the idea that the best agricultural areas will move polewards, unfortunately the impact on Australian agriculture will be severe, we are already seeing the southern grain growing areas receiving less rain, for example in WA where I understand some 1200 farms were abandoned in the last 10 years or so. Warming temperatures are a threat to global food supply, because the majority of the worlds grain and agricultural produce comes from temperate areas and not the tropics. Krill only survive in the very cold seas near the poles and yet they are one of the most productive sources of protein and energy for the wild food change, so no productivity and warming do not move in lockstep.

With global warming comes climate change, the weather systems passing over Australia have dramatically altered their path, 40 years ago the typical winter high pressure system crossed the continent pretty much straight across the center. This winter only a few actually made it over the mainland with the majority passing to the south of the continent. This affects just about everything the land produces from grain to grapes.

As for anyone who seriously believes global warming has not continued over the last 20 years or so there really is only one sensible response "sorry your wrong the data does not support the claim."

Dear Peter Lang,

My goodness young man you certainly have a way with numbers, I'm just not sure that you know what you are doing.

For my sins I have had a look at some of your stuff and frankly my friend it ain't pretty. What on earth were the variables you throw into the model to come up with a graph like the one you posted?
http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2014/10/Lang-3.jpg

Lol.

We had another climate sceptic here who was a lawyer in fact who operated very similar to your good self. Spewed forth copious amounts of data that was misinterpreted, misrepresented, and misdirected by him. Are you sure you are not he? If you are then we might be in for some good times.

Dear Leo Lane,

Normal tactics I see, call for expert opinion and rule it out at the same time. Hansen and the IPCC represent a huge mountain of knowledge and experience yet you reject them out of hand because they don't fit your ideology.

Tough my friend. How about you providing experts of your own and see how they fare against them. The floor is yours.

Last time we danced I seemed to recall you ended up in the corner with you pants around your ankles. Why not another round for old times sake.

SteeleRedux,

>"For my sins I have had a look at some of your stuff and frankly my friend it ain't pretty. What on earth were the variables you throw into the model to come up with a graph like the one you posted?
http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2014/10/Lang-3.jpg
"

Try reading the link provided. It explains. It's not my analysis or my input data. It's the default inputs for DICE-2013R, the most widely cited and used IAM for analysing cost-benefit of GHG mitigation policies, carbon pricing, SCC, etc. The key defaults are on the high (alarmists) side of the IPCC central estimates. If you'd bothered to read, you would have understood all this. Which just goes to show you are the classic denier. Your smart-ass condescending comments show arrogance and your lack of ability to deal with the facts demonstrates ignorance and intellectual dishonesty. You are an example of the flat-earthers - just another gullible cult follower.

You didplay many of the '10 signs of intellectual dishonsty': http://judithcurry.com/2013/04/20/10-signs-of-intellectual-honesty/

, Reflux has no experts, and no science to show that human emissions have any measurable effect on climate. His serial loser state continues.
I will again post science that he has seen before, on other threads:
“Three Australasian researchers have shown that natural forces are the dominant influence on climate, in a study just published in the highly-regarded Journal of Geophysical Research. According to this study little or none of the late 20th century global warming and cooling can be attributed to human activity.”

Read more: http://www.climatedepot.com/2009/07/22/peerreviewed-study-rocks-climate-debate-nature-not-man-responsible-for-recent-global-warminglittle-or-none-of-late-20th-century-warming-and-cooling-can-be-attributed-to-humans/#ixzz3mQrGLKXM

Part of Reflux’s delusional state is that whenever he makes a fool of himself, he recalls it as a victory. He has no science, and no rational observation, to present, but perceives his abject failure as a win

GLOBAL WARMING IS ANOTHER OF THE MANY MANY LIES. Why do you go along with it , Pope Francis (anti-Pope) whose climate BS change advisor is a Zionist. They love to blame we humans because the global elitists are anti-human. Global warming scam equals Carbon taxes (stealing more and more money from WE THE PEOPLE). Disgusting.

http://o.b5z.net/i/u/10152887/f/A_major_deception_on__global_warming__Wall_Street_Journal_Professor_Frederick_Seitz_19960612.pdf

The Global Warming Scam and lies (MORE TAX and blaming humans, more debt slavery)
https://w3.newsmax.com/LP/Finance/RWL/RWL-Dark-Winter?Dkt_nbr=jhtrrfa9&nmx_source=TheStandS4Network-Conservative&nmx_medium=widget&nmx_content=448&nmx_campaign=widgetphase2

It is why he has exhausted his savings and retirement funds to spread the word about his research through his organization, Space and Science Research Corporation (SSRC).

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/globalwarming13sep06.shtml
Global Warming
A Colossal Hoax Designed to Further Enrich NWO 'Globalists'
“The IPCC review process is totally flawed. … The scientific basis for the Kyoto Protocol is grossly inadequate.”
Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, director emeritus of the Royal Meteorological Institute of the Netherlands in 2005
"The Fourth Report of the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] might just as well decree the suppression of all climatology textbooks, and replace them in our schools with press communiqués. ... Day after day, the same mantra - that ‘the Earth is warming up’ - is churned out in all its forms. As ‘the ice melts’ and ‘sea level rises’ the Apocalypse looms ever nearer! Without realizing it, or perhaps without wishing to, the average citizen in bamboozled, lobotomized, and lulled into mindless acceptance. ... Non-believers in the greenhouse scenario are in the position of those long ago who doubted the existence of God ..".
- Marcel Leroux (from What is Wrong with the IPCC? by Hans Labohm)

The Dark Winter Survival Guide (a $49 value): In John’s book, Dark Winter, he goes beyond blowing “global warming” out of the water . . . he reveals a calamity far worse than most climate scientists can imagine — all based on proven solar cycles. I worked hand in hand with John to create a DETAILED action plan for you to avoid the biggest pitfalls and even thrive during this coming era of chaos.

http://allenbwest.com/2015/07/nobel-scientists-comments-about-global-warming-will-burn-liberals-up/

Liberals in truth mean TYRANTS. Anything they say, just think the opposite.

http://donaitkin.com/climate-change-and-the-fabian-society/aka (COMMUNISTS) infiltration and destruction of the Labor Party. Santamaria knew. Do you remember the Democratic Labor Party? Whitlam corporatised Australia. Thanks, TRAITOR! And Gillard was installed by the CIA (MOSSAD). Looks like Turmbull was too. Politics is just a game of pretend Democracy. Just like the Republicans and Democrats.

YOU ARE A FRAUD, DON - just like Climate Change. Just like the Son of Trotsky - Al Gore living in a 23 bedroom air condition mansion. Hypocrite.

Thanks for our Marxist education, Redcoat Don.

Whackademia: An Insider's Account of the Troubled University by Richard Hil (an outcast)
by Richard Hil

"Everything is a rich man's trick" - by JFK (who they killed). All the assassinations and terrorism.

Explosive book reveals 'toxic' culture at Goldman Sachs
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34319

MALCOLM TURNBULL SET UP GOLDMAN SACHS IN OZ.


They've controlled the Commie propaganda machine prestitute press for 100yrs. Murdoch is one. And our hidden true history.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/clintonbodycount.htm

I know Corporatisation really means Communism. And that's what the cabal like's to do sue nations till they go broke. Think TPP (highly secret)- thanks Julian. They control our court systems, our economy and our politics. We are under occupation.

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA IS A CORPORATION OWNED BY BANKSTERS
http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/09/20/commonwealth-australia-corporation

Zombie ZOGS (Zionist (Communism) Occupied governments in Western Countries):
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/11/20/pcr-interviewed-russia-italy/

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/30/police-state-upon-us-paul-craig-roberts/

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/06/25/europes-complicity-evil-paul-craig-roberts/

Yep, we are under occupation and there is nothing in the Corporate Commie press. The revolution is underground. We are living in Orwellian times.

The New World Order of chaos and destruction:
HAARP - New World Order Mind Control and Weather Warfare Weapon
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/haarp_mind_weather_control.htm
Joseph P. Farrell - Babylon's Banksters, Global Financial Blackmail, Geo Warfare & The End Game
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2010/11nov/RIR-101125.php

Kongpop U-Yen - Space Weather Induced Natural Disasters
Feb 14, 2014 ... ... correlation with abrupt weather conditions and tectonic activities, including storm formations, flash floods, volcanic activities and earthquakes.
www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/02/RIR-140214.php

They caused the recent Chile earthquake and Fukishima disaster.

Haiti/Chile EarthQuake H.A.A.R.P 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR6O3kJTqaI