Another reference on the paradoxical nature of quantum Reality, or Reality as Conscious Light.
http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/EWB/lastwords.html

David f,
Read the history of the 20th century and you will find atrocities that far outweigh those committed in the name of God. How many died under godless communising in Russia and China, how many died in two world wars in the name of the Fatherland? People who live in glass houses really should not throw stones. This kind tit for tat is against your position.

Dear Sells,

You are the who posted, ""Not all religious narratives have the historical property of the Judeo-Christian. Some lead to disfunctional and cruel cultures, and the societies that are formed around them are evidence of their lack of truth and a subsequent lack of an ability to nurture life and freedom."

Your culture is not the only bad one, but it is nothing you should boast about. I pointed out the fact that it has produced disfunction and cruelty. It does not make it good to point out it is not the only bad one. I have not tried to explain away anything. You are the one who has claimed righteousness. I am not the one offering panaceas. I don't have that arrogance.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12693 contains an article I wrote titled "Why so many corpses?" It explains why the massive communist murders were a direct result of following the ideas in the Manifesto. Both Christianity and Marxism offer a millennium based on following a groundless belief. The view of history is roughly the same. Eden/primitive communism followed by clash of good against evil/class conflict followed by the millennium/classless society. Both Christianity and Marxism are similar Utopian fantasies.

Sells, you have conveniently ignored the facts that Hitler was a Catholic and also that the German motto was "Gott mitt uns".
David

Whoah, whoah, whoah: last time I looked at this discussion we were having a nice friendly chat about metaphysics. I come back not a day later and it's descended to the level of a big-dick contest over whether theism or atheism kills more people.

Can't we all just try to get along and have a nice discussion about time and philosophy

Toni Lavis,

>>it depends on your frame of reference. … who are a couple of thousand light years away from us, Jesus hasn't even born yet.<<

Whatever your understanding of Jesus, it should not infect your understanding of what frames of reference refer to in (special) theory of relativity: time depends on how FAST the two observers move with respect to each other, not on how FAR they are from each other.