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PM David Cameron's early Christmas present : Comments

By Jonathan J. Ariel, published 25/8/2015

Candidate Corbyn represents nearly everything Prime Minister Cameron (and for that matter, former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair) does not.

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I'm no fan of David Cameron, but to be seen as a credible alternative government, Labor needs a credible Leader; and the old anti everything commie (nut job?) ain't it!

Even so, a significant level of dissatisfaction among the moribund, with the patently counterproductive austerity measures, will see this old dinosaur lead Labor to it's next electoral defeat?

Or a great big new depression?

What's next, the emergence of the extreme far right as counterbalance?

Sort of reminds one of the foreign film out of Checholavia, called Insane, and parodies a story where the inmates have taken over and are running the asylum?

We should seize the day and make conditions here so palatable for high tech energy dependant European business and cashed up European self funded retirees alike, we could be swimming in foreign capital?

Massive job expansion and able to build all the missing infrastructure needed to create a world leading nation; or put another way, an island of sanity in a world gone mad!

Left/right extremism by any other name has had its day, and can only ever do more harm than good!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 9:43:25 AM
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Jonathan J. Ariel you are incorrect in saying,

“a terrorist group proscribed by Australia, HAMAS,”

It is not the group itself which is proscribed but the armed wing

• Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 10 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Listedterroristorganisations/Pages/default.aspx
Posted by Sam C, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 10:07:20 AM
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Jonathon, I think you rather miss the point about the astonishing rise of Mr Corbyn. Membership of the Labour Party has trebled since the election as people sign up in order to vote him into power. The opinion polls suggest that far from being an "out there" socialist, he is tapping into a chord of public opinion that is sick to death of, inter alia, austerity as a cure; endless wars on behalf of the US and its corporate bosses; and the growing divide between rich and poor in the Uk.

The fact that anti-cornyn Labour people are openly talking about a coup in the event that Corbyn wins reveals the profoundly undemocratic nature of the Blairite factions within the party.

As for the US being a worse terrorist organisation than ISIS? Well, that is by far the majority opinion in the Middle East as shown in two Gallup polls in 14 countries in the region. If you want to add up the bodies, the US has been responsible for more deaths as a result of its terrorism (Vietnam, Indonesia, Iraq, Libya to name but a few) than IS is ever likely to manage. You also conveniently ignore that IS is a creation of the US and its Gulf allies, as the US DIA acknowledged according to documents obtained by Judicial Watch under FOI laws.

We also know, for example, that wounded IS fighters are treated in Turkish hospitals run by Erdogan's daughter. Their revenue comes in part from oil sales from the Mosul region sold via a Turkish company controlled by Erdogan's son. IS fighters are also treated in Israeli military hospitals in the Golan Heights.

Corbyn's main crime seems to be in pointing out the sickening hypocrisy that dominates western foreign policy discourse, and that of course is unforgivable.
Posted by James O'Neill, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 11:42:09 AM
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The Blair brand is toxic. Not because of what he's done since leaving, but because of what he did in government. The British people want the opposite.

This article is long on spin and rhetoric but short on substance. Wanting to reverse some of the privatisation of essential services that occurred in the 1980s and 90s is nothing like "Cuba's centrally planned fiasco" except to those who are trying to fool others into dismissing it without considering what he has to say. It won't work in Britain; there's a broad (albeit not universal) consensus that railway privatisation was a failure, and that privatisation of the water companies benefitted their shareholders at public expense.

As for his foreign policy, keep in mind that that's not something under the control of the party leader, so Britain will almost certainly remain in NATO even if Corbyn becomes PM. And I urge you to overcome your outrage long enough to read http://www.afr.com/opinion/henry-kissinger-jeremy-corbyn-and-their-odd-thing-in-common-ukraine-20150820-gj4a7g – you'll see his views aren't that outlandish at all.
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 1:14:26 PM
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Aiden

Many on the Labour left feel as you do, and Corbyn’s lead in the polls suggests he is likely to win the Labour leadership. But the fact is that Blair is the only Labour leader to actually win a UK general election since 1974. Corbyn would be the most left-wing leader Labour has had has since Michael Foot, who was an electoral train wreck. I seriously doubt Corbyn could win a general election.
Posted by Rhian, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 3:29:54 PM
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I don't know much about Corbyn, but he sounds like he walks the walk. He was known as having one of the lowest expense claims of any MP during the 2009 MP expenses scandal, which saw a number of MP jailed.

Compare that with Blair, whose expense records were shredded "by mistake".

James O'Neill is correct, there is much evidence that ISIS is a creation of the US and its allies. It is like a rerun of Operation Cyclone, the CIA program which funded the Mujahadeen (Islamic Militants) in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Led to the rise of Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Here is an interview with Michael Flynn - the former head of the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency and JSOC (the covert operations group which includes assassins who report directly to the US President) who says the Intelligence agencies knew of the rise of ISIS in Syria and Iraq but the US administration did nothing to stop it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3j8OYKgn4 - need to go 8 minutes into interview.

Only the MSM could miss a story this big.

ISIS are despicable, but how evil are they? Would they kill half a million children for their cause? I hope we never find out, but we know The US government would. 500,000 Iraqi children died due to economic sanctions put in place to get rid of Hussein. It didn't work - it took an illegal pre-emptive war based on lies and propaganda to achieve the regime change they were after. That is mind-blowingly evil isn't it?

Here is the interview where Madeline Albright says 500,000 dead Iraqi children was "worth it" chilling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

Love Peace Justice.
Posted by BJelly, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 5:23:43 PM
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