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Australia’s Abu Ghraib moment : Comments

By Kellie Tranter, published 19/8/2015

Subsequent examination of the Abu Ghraib scandal by well known American psychologist Philip Zimbardo highlighted the systemic failures, including that of leadership, which ultimately led to the abuse.

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What an incredibly long bow to draw. Just neurotic.

Still, the mindset is consistent with somebody who has advocated open borders, to hell with the cost and consequences.
Posted by calwest, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 10:14:44 AM
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Water boarding? Likely pattern of abuse? In Nauru?

She's got one thing right: ALLEGATIONS of torture "is just what they are. Take the ABC's latest effort to smear Australia this week. A blubbering wimp with a stethosope, and an ex "guard" hiding in the dark, along with a group of unidentified men making a few silly remarks.

Given the ABC's obvious hatred of Australia, people could be forgiven for assuming that the whole thing was a set up to get the likes of Kelly Tranter flapping their wings.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 10:40:19 AM
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Yes Miss Kellie

That our Prime Minister is the dribbling result of systematic water or skate-boarding is self-evident.

Your Muse

Poyda
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 11:13:35 AM
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I have this vision of John Cleese in "The Life of Brian" saying Oh! she's making it up as she goes along!
I also think of Gilbert's description of a performance of Hamlet "Funny without being vulgar".
Sorry, Kellie has this effect on me of making me think of many things rather than her rubbish.
Posted by JBowyer, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 11:27:35 AM
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I think Kellie is having a Jonah in the belly of a whale moment?

Alleging something could have happened just doesn't make any more true than saying; because something may have happened in Nauru, it could be also happening in Scots College? Well it could!

This is one of those bows that need to be drawn whilst lying down, so you can incorporate both your hand and feet due to the unusually long draw!
Eyewitness evidence Kellie, evidence, not he said she said hearsay!

You are out of order! Clear the court!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 11:56:46 AM
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As activists are aware, there is always some stain remaining from mud that has been thrown.

Much of the ABC needs to be privatised and the saved $$ directed towards getting rid of the narrow bridges on Highway 1, or ending the ramping of ambulances outside Emergency Departments in public hospitals.

There should also be a very close review of the need for all of those quangos sch as the Human Rights Commission that have sprung up like mushrooms and suck mightily from the taxpayer's teat and seemingly forever.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 12:07:26 PM
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Worse, some of the victims are not even asylum-seekers, but innocent passengers that were hijacked on the high seas and locked up by the Australian government. The proper name for that is 'piracy'.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 12:17:07 PM
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Spot on On The Beach! There is a real push now to go thru all this rubbish especially the ABC. The irony is that I only watch the ABC. However they will not change and need to be de-funded until they get it right or close.
The quango's were never needed in the first place. Line up the tumbrils and let's tell our MP's to get going.
Posted by JBowyer, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 12:30:50 PM
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I'm for transparency. Rather than Tranter making claims that may well have a basis and the defenders of the LNP going into knee-jerk defense, let's have a live-in independent investigator/s look at allegations who is answerable to a senate committee.
Posted by Luciferase, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 12:32:32 PM
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Blaming the ABC will not console your shortcomings, it will take a royal commission to get to the bottom of what is happening in Australia's name where refugees are concerned.
There would not be any correspondence if the story did not exist to be investigated.
Abbott's shonkey and covert govt; is to blame.
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 12:33:01 PM
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Doog,

Another Royal Commission, despite the fact that Shorten, Labor and the unions are holding the current one in contempt in an attempt to cover their own shonky backsides?

They would try to interfere with and disrupt a Commission on this subject once it started to reveal their lies in the matter illegal boat arrivals and their bungling when they allowed - no, encouraged - 50,000 very costly dole-hunting illegals to come to Australia. Labor has no time for law and order, clearly demonstrated in their total ignorance of the machinations of Royal Commissions, and the status of the Commissioner. Senator Wong and other Labor thugs are now yabbering about going to the Governor General to have the Commission into their dirty deeds quashed, the ignorant hicks..
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 2:16:34 PM
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Well Abu Ghraib is a good example of where you end up by allowing women to command rear echelon installations with troops of opposite genders in the same unit.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 3:54:53 PM
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Kellie, pay no attention to the knockers. They have no ability to join the dots or add 2 to 2 and get four.

They believe anything that floats out of the cesspool that is the U.S....floats is incorrect! It is pumped over here in huge quantities and it is lapped up by most Australians.

Are Australians the most gullible people on Earth?

Next to Americans, probably!
Posted by David G, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 4:19:42 PM
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Yes it will take nothing short of a royal commission to sort Morrison and Abbott out. If no impartial judge can be found we could always get Bob Hawk to fill the space.

This regime is rotten to the core, and soon to find out the Gov; generals impartiality also.
Posted by doog, Thursday, 20 August 2015 10:48:13 AM
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Their ABC being creative again. The ex-guard was likely an extra on Neighbours, the crying Doc probably testing the chemicals and the ABC journo taking directions from JournoList.

Their ABC is no longer trusted, it declared itself biased. Just sell it.
Posted by McCackie, Friday, 21 August 2015 10:22:48 AM
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David,
I can do the maths 2+2= millions of dollars, refugee resettlement is big business, the refugee advocates are all in it for the money.
I mean, take the much discussed Bendigo Mosque issue, there's been a question hanging over the huge size of the facility, reportedly it'll be the largest islamic prayer hall in the southern hemisphere yet Bendigo has only 36 practicing Muslims residing in the district.
It's only when you put two and two together and realise that it's part of a much bigger development that it's huge capacity makes sense. The Mosque is to be accompanied by a huge new housing estate for refugees, this estate and it's inhabitants will require all the specialised services allotted to refugees, employment agencies, education providers, medical and psychological support etc. The whole project is being financed by Bendigo Bank, who will no doubt be the primary provider of personal loans, insurance, superannuation, credit cards and other financial services to the new arrivals.
When we talk about admitting 13,000 (or the ALP's proposed 27,000) refugees a year we often don't see that in concrete terms, that's a population roughly equal to a town like Lithgow or Wangaratta and these people and their descendants all need life long support from the state but as we know the state contracts out most services to the private sector these days.
It's all about money, government contracts, jobs for the boys and where there's large sums of money there's always corruption, local councils and shire authorities are being pressured to accept migrants by business interests and their head kickers in the Refugee Action Coalition, even in low socio-economic regional areas.
The refugee industry is actually underwritten by the worst kind of crony capitalism, well meaning refugee advocates, the little old ladies, the Christians and all are being made to look like fools, or worse collaborators.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 21 August 2015 8:39:36 PM
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Dear Jay,

So government is trying to ease its bad conscience about the way they hijack people at sea, then lock up and torture them, by inviting in more others and paying them all the way (from the hard-earned money taken from our own pockets).

Let it do neither - and waste our money on neither.

If people want to come and build their own new Bendigo suburb, then let them come and do it at their own expense and labour - don't stop them, don't help them.

The problem is with this rotten idea of "sovereignty" whereby certain people who call themselves "state", assume they have a right to be in control of everything which happens within this whole continent.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 23 August 2015 11:01:25 PM
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Well done Kellie,

You have once again reduced the life expectancy of those who would like to do away with the ABC and those who seem to object to any human rights.

Their blood pressure must go through the roof whenever they read your articles. Keep up the good work.
Posted by askari, Monday, 24 August 2015 5:20:52 PM
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Wow! So much aggression from posts to defend or ignore the indefensible. Why the attacks on Kellie's opinion? Where is the outrage that asylum seekers in detention are subjected to deliberate cruelty? The billions of dollars spent locking people away out of sight arouses little or no alarm. What we know or think we know, and what we don't know, should be of deep concern for ourselves as well as others. That journalists and anyone who speaks out to exposes the horrors for inmates of detention can be prosecuted, even jailed, should be a warning about what Australian citizens are not intended to know. WHY?
Posted by jenni, Thursday, 27 August 2015 8:06:44 AM
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Jenni let me explain this to you. The "Asylum seekers" travel through many countries to come here. They are not seeking asylum but the free loading life style that mugs like you think is their right. They are mainly muslim, single men. They want everything we have but without the inconvenience of actually earning it. They then want us to change the way of life we enjoy to the way of life they are fleeing. Do not forget the infamous sign "Behead those that insult the prophet" carried in Sydney. This is their attitude and we are supposed to meekly accept that whilst you and Kellie tell us we are the villains?
The vast majority of Australia would be far harsher than the current Government are.
Jenni please tell us the end game? We accept these people and then what? Kill the gays, christians and anyone who does not submit to islam? You are so clever, you tell me.
Posted by JBowyer, Thursday, 27 August 2015 9:36:40 AM
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