Well I got curious about the think tank 'Australia 21' which I'd never heard of so I went and took a look.

I stumbled across a page 'Global Change' and started reading the .pdf entitled 'Beyond Denial Managing the Uncertainties of Global Change'
- Found in the link below.

https://www.australia21.org.au/research-archive/policy-on-illicit-drugs/global-change/#.VdH0Dpe3iPW

The article was mostly about climate change.

The first thing I noticed was that one of the main speakers in the artice 'Jorgen Randers' is a permanent member of the Club of Rome.
(Other Club of Rome members include Al Gore of carbon trading notoriety)
The article also mentioned Jorgen's book "2052"

So I went to Infowars to try to get a bit of a background refresh on the Club of Rome, and here's what I got.

http://www.infowars.com/group-that-admitted-manufacturing-global-warming-threat-still-pushes-same-hoax/

Very interesting article and worth reading.

Conspiracy stuff aside.
I agree with Rhorsty on the issue that the sun is in a cooling phase.

It was on this issue I mainly held the view that the whole issue of GW is a load of crap, but Rhorsty's insistence that permafrost was melting lead me to have a look at that too, and it seems he's right if the reports are true.

http://www.lakescientist.com/melting-permafrost-influences-arctic-lake-methane-emissions/
http://www.adn.com/article/20150618/study-alaskas-melting-mountain-glaciers-have-big-impact-sea-level-rise

So Rhorsty does have a good point if increased melting is occurring while the sun is cooling.
(what this alludes to I'm not sure)

But Don has an equally good point, about Antarctica cooling.

Maybe when the earth tilted slightly on its axis it changed something and its just another phase the planet goes through with the Arctic warming and the Antarctic cooling?? -Just My Thoughts-

The biggest question I have, (as an uninformed layman) is why do we have this big war on carbon when I read news reports that carbon is actually greening the planet??

http://www.csiro.au/en/News/News-releases/2013/Deserts-greening-from-rising-CO2

And Christopher Monckton says the current climate models are wrong.

Armchair Critic

The general opinion is that some surface warming has occurred over East Antarctica but there really is not enough data to answer the question definitively.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica_cooling_controversy

The west Antarctic peninsular has however noticeably warmed and ice loss from the whole of the Antarctic has increased, due to increased sea temperatures. This brings up an interesting anomaly which Don refers to, and that is winter sea ice area reached a new record in 2013, however the increase is insignificant compared to the sea ice loss in the arctic.

Select Antarctic and click on years of interest:-

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

A Dramatic decrease in Antarctic land ice has occurred over recent years:-

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stable-antarctic-ice-is-suddenly-melting-fast/

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/CryoSat/Ice_sheet_highs_lows_and_loss

Warmair if you really believe that garbage, do come & see me. I've got this bridge across Sydney harbour to sell

SM; I have been reading about Germany's problem with excess generation
with wind & solar.
Why is it a problem ?
Why cannot they just not draw power from some of those sources ?
Just let them run idling away with a light load ?

Hasbeen

I will be available next week to see you, we can go to the NSW government and get them to issue shares in the bridge, think of the huge commission we will get. Come to think of it, there's that place with the nice roof, next door we could get them to throw that in as well.

Part of their problem Bazz is their ratbag green governments contracted to pay for all that green power, whether they use it or not, at hugely inflated prices. They even have to pay when the things can't work due to too much wind.

You know, just the same sort od stupidity our Greens want to put in place for us, & will do if we elect another Labor government with green preferences.

At the same time, they have to draw power from the grid to keep them warm, & to "excite" their generating equipment, even when not working.

A total catastrophe when you realise their grid doesn't allow them to transmit the power wind does generate to where it can be used. They currently have to use the grids of neighbouring countries to do that transmission, & some of those neighbours, in fact all of them, are getting sick of Germany.

Fuzzy green thinking will do us in, long before any global warming, or cooling as now appears more likely.