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Green dreamers seek to deny power for India’s poor : Comments

By Gary Johns, published 13/8/2015

Stopping Adani would abate no net carbon dioxide emissions. Stopping Adani may, however, raise the price of electricity for poor Indians.

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The best energy projects are ones that literally walk out the door, such as homemade biogas made in India by impoverished villages, pooling their limited resources! REPORTED FACT!

If I had some still lazy money to invest stezza, it would be used in apple shares; given they have been smart enough to outfit their new HQ, with cost cutting solar power; and biogas powered fuel cells.

You don't have to be among the smartest folk on the planet to invest in lower costing alternatives like biogas and ceramic fuel cells to produce storable power available 24/7. But it surely has to help!?

And given methane powered ceramic fuel cells have a reported 80% energy coefficient!( the best in the world)

Able to massively undercut coal, which at best can only manage a 20% energy coefficient!

Which by the way is the published result, which makes biogas( methane) connected to ceramic fuel cells; able to not only provide the world's cheapest power, but produce mostly pristine water vapor in the process!

My challenge to you remains prove anything I've claimed here untrue, which is the tricky slimey inference; in your patent attempted character assassination?

I fatuously thought you were above that!?

My share holdings remain my private business thank you; suffice to say, win or lose, I have thousands invested in visionary innovation; as does my Granddaughter!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 14 August 2015 6:02:44 PM
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One word: quantity?

"Supplying the United States ' current energy needs would require an area of one million square miles. That's roughly one-third of the area of the 48 contiguous states. There is no way that plantations could be implemented at this scale, not to mention that soil exhaustion would eventually occur. Biomass cannot replace our current dependence on coal, oil, and natural gas, but it can complement other renewables such as solar and wind energy."
http://www.altenergy.org/renewables/biomass.html

The moment you start growing a serious amount, you also seriously undermine food. It becomes food V fuel. This is so serious that the Australian Medical Association put in their concerns to the 2004 Australian Senate Peak Oil enquiry. However, nuclear can provide the world's energy needs many times over for many millions of years
Posted by Max Green, Friday, 14 August 2015 8:20:22 PM
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Rhostry,

I don't want to see you do your dough. As I think I once told you, fuel-cells fed with hydrocarbons produce CO2, so don't help the AGW equation.

Whatever, investment in anything with a massive gov't subsidy is not silly, at least until the curtain comes down on the whole renewables farce.

I wish you and your grand-daughter well in your investments. Take care.
Posted by Luciferase, Friday, 14 August 2015 8:42:01 PM
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Oh, fossil hydrocarbons? No, that won't do at all. I thought he was talking about "homemade biogas", some kind of sewer-system brewed up methane or farmed biomass. Unless someone cracks a magic algae solution and a way to feed them all the NPK they need cheaply enough, I don't think any biomass solution is going to come to the rescue.

As you know, France has shown us the way...
Posted by Max Green, Friday, 14 August 2015 8:54:02 PM
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/07/coal-is-not-the-answer-to-indias-energy-poverty-whatever-tony-abbott-says?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Twitter

EAS Sarma - "As a former secretary of India’s ministry of power, I know India’s challenges. Australian coal doesn’t make economic sense for us – but renewables do."

"Adani’s huge Carmichael coal mine – the biggest in Australian history – has been overturned by the federal court, causing much consternation for coal advocates, chief among them Australian prime minister Tony Abbott.

He contends that Carmichael is critical for the human welfare of tens of millions of Indians and will provide power for 100 million people in India who currently have none.

But the claim that 100 million will be lifted out of energy poverty by a new wave of coal exports – driven largely by Indian companies Adani and GVK’s proposals to open Queensland’s vast Galilee Basin coal fields – reveals a deep lack of understanding of the real situation in India and other countries, where large populations remain without access to electricity.

India’s population of 1.24 billion comprises 247 million households, 68% of whom live in rural villages. According to the 2011 census, 45% of these rural households – 75 million – have no electricity. Of urban households, 6 million remain without electricity, or about 8% of the total.

These figures have not changed appreciably since 2001, though around 95,000 MW of new largely coal-based electricity generation capacity was added during the intervening decade.

In other words, the benefits of adding new generation capacity accrued largely to the existing, affluent consumers. There are a number of reasons why this is the case.

In the rural areas, many remote villages are beyond the reach of the electricity grid. There are also many families in electrified villages who cannot pay for expensive electricity.

It is therefore simplistic and simply inaccurate to assume that new electricity generation capacity added to the grid will automatically reduce electricity deprivation among the poor.

To address energy poverty and energy security, India’s focus must be on encouraging locally-generated and indigenous renewable energy systems and moving towards decentralised electricity generation based on renewables."
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 16 August 2015 10:27:25 AM
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Or decentralised electricity based on baseload, reliable, sun & shade, summer & winter micro-nuclear. Small Modular Reactor's (SMR's) are on the way that basically act like nuclear batteries. Some are just buried, are so heavy it would take days to jackhammer through concrete and have a crane lift them out (by which time security would well and truly have grabbed any terrorists), and are basically indestructible. After 5 years a company truck turns up, buries the next one and leaves that running while they take the old one away. There are a variety of approaches, and all generate *reliable* day and night, summer and winter electricity.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Nuclear-Fuel-Cycle/Power-Reactors/Small-Nuclear-Power-Reactors/
Posted by Max Green, Sunday, 16 August 2015 5:59:13 PM
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