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Green dreamers seek to deny power for India’s poor : Comments

By Gary Johns, published 13/8/2015

Stopping Adani would abate no net carbon dioxide emissions. Stopping Adani may, however, raise the price of electricity for poor Indians.

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The Indian poor would be doing a lot more for themselves if they reduced their breeding rates.
Selling them more coal will do a lot more harm than good with the increase in pollution it will cause.
We have only one home, this planet Earth.
Remember that Mr Johns before it is too late.
Posted by ateday, Thursday, 13 August 2015 8:59:37 AM
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Here is another Liberal Neocon dreamer.
Coal is good and nothing else is any good is the chant.
Of course the fact that the BIG coal corporations are major donors to political parties has nothing to do with this.
Now please listen to this, I will say it only once.
Solar thermal works a treat.
It would and should provide power for India.
It is a proven technology that is working now in the US and Spain.
If all the coal in the Galilee was burned, it would increase global warming so much that life on earth would disappear.
I know that billionaire Indians would be down to their last billion but it would be worth it.
Gary Johns please take up knitting instead of pushing your mad ideas.
Posted by Robert LePage, Thursday, 13 August 2015 9:02:04 AM
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Solar thermal? Not for poor people Robert.

You can knock this guy's motives but the numbers tell a story:

https://papundits.wordpress.com/2013/11/08/solar-thermal-power-concentrating-solar-fail-just-look-at-spain/
Posted by Luciferase, Thursday, 13 August 2015 9:33:28 AM
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Firstly I don't have an issue with digging up the coal so long as the mine doesn't impact local residents.

Secondly I don't have an issue selling the coal to India, if they want to purchase it.

Thirdly, It's not our place to tell India what is is isn't right for their country or people.

Fourthly, there's a global push to end coal mining and power creation with coal.
This is increasing the cost of energy globally and its bad for business and trade all around.

(Also its a push for Agenda 21 and global governance but that's another story.)

I don't have a problem with digging the coal up and selling it.
To not do so will cost the Australian people, and with the coming cost of aging baby boomers and a continual tightening of the purse strings someones gonna lose out.

Should single mums and their kids go hungry so environmentalists can have their agenda met?
Should the aging baby boomers be asked to just die quietly without medical care by financially focused death panels?
Should we force all the unemployed and handicapped people to get low paying socialist-like 'work for the dole program' type jobs?

You decide.
I say sell the coal, its not up to us to dictate domestic policy to foreign countries.

But finally, IS THIS NOT the same Adani that wants to build a port in the Great Barrier Reef??

If so, best think again.
Build yourself a rail link to the other side of the Cape or forget it.

I'm sure as hell not gonna support selling out our reef so the Indians can have electricity when they cant even build toilets and sewerage for themselves.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 13 August 2015 10:04:56 AM
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As proven in California, solar thermal can be rolled out for comparative to coal costs; and given the latest technological advances, able to also compete with coal as a base load solution!

Typical of Johns, he can't see the trees for the forest; and simply ignores things like cheaper than coal thorium ,and twice as cheap, endlessly available Biogas connected to ceramic fuel cells; able to provide very local electricity, for quarter of the price of coal!

We are entering unprecedented territory in relation to the amount of Co2 we're pumping into the atmosphere!



Because it happened before around 90 million years ago when volcanic eruptions added enough Co2 to the atmosphere to increased ambient temperatures by just 2C.

Enough in turn to start melting formerly permanently frozen permafrost; and in so doing, releasing millions of tons of formerly frozen methane.

Which being 21 times more efficacious than Co2 as a greenhouse gas, pushed the ambient temperatures up by around another 3C!

Or a combined total of 5C!. 5% enough to bring on a recorded extinction event that very nearly wiped out life as we know it; and writ large in the paleoecological record; an open book for those who can read it!

Which tells us for example that the british Isles, was a salt laden windswept desert, where the wind speeds were as high as a totally destructive 300 klms, together killing all plant life.

And where no plant life could survive; neither can anything else?

As is the case when plants are subject to months long inundation!

Look I know that coal "earns this nation", oops, foreign investors billions; and a few millions for Aussie quisling investors for whom there is nothing more important than making a few bucks and to hell with the predictable consequences for our Grandkids?

It doesn't matter where the coal is burnt, it still produces invisible Co2 we all have to tolerate!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 13 August 2015 10:16:04 AM
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Robert Le Page and Rhrosty

Again you guys have repeated stuff that has long been disproven, or is not even part of the debate. Solar thermal cost competitive with conventional power? I've never seen any figures making that claim. I don't think even green groups - at least none with any sense - claim it. Wind power can be cost competitive on a per-output basis but as an intermittent source its valued quite differently when part of a network.

A fully renewables grid is not possible in Aus at the moment, let alone on the unsophisticated, ricketty Indian grid. Any major user has backup diesel because the grid keeps on failing and Le Page wants them to go renewable! Talk about being divorced from reality.
Posted by Curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 August 2015 10:34:37 AM
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