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Labor: stuck between a boat and a hard place : Comments

By John Slater, published 24/7/2015

There are few occasions that shine such penetrating light on the deeply embittered ideological divide between the Labor Party's left and right factions quite like its national conference.

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SM, I'm only a standard, weak, heterosexual male ;)
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 27 July 2015 10:05:10 PM
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Hasbeen, are you seriously suggesting that Plibersek or Palaszczuk would put Poland's interests above Australia's just because their ancestors were born there?

As for those with names sans Anglo ring, that's nothing new; have you forgotten the Queensland premier who once tried to run for PM?

Why don't you think refugees could be advantageous to the existing population? Do you think they're incapable of paying taxes?

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Loudmouth,

Most of the world's refugees don't want to go to Australia. But as for the selection process:
• We should favour those who make their own way here, as people should have a right to determine their own futures.
• We should favour those who arrive in seaworthy vessels, because we don't want people to drown at sea. Those who arrive in leaky boats should be detained, but there should be limits on how long to delay them for. And those who only cross the Torres Strait should not be subject to the same seaworthiness requirements as those who cross the Timor Sea or the Indian Ocean.
• We should exclude those who support any terrorist organization.
• In the absence of any good reason to the contrary, those who don't speak english should be resettled in another country in our region.

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Bazz, much of Indonesia is in Asia, and most Indonesians live in Asia. Opinions differ on where the boundary is, but Bali is definitely part of Asia.

Nowadays the Mercator projection is more associated with Google Maps than anything on classroom walls.
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 1:52:54 AM
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Aidan even our great Ozzie stock whips are not frightening enough to drive the current refugees to work, when they can get all they ever wanted sitting on their bums scoffing our welfare.

Weren't you aware people have to actually work, & earn money before they pay tax?
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 1:59:55 AM
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Thanks, Aidan,

So we should accept any desperate people who arrive in our waters in quite sea-worthy boats. Okay, that's moved the logic along one more step :)

So, just suppose a humanitarian organisation, funded, say, by Bill Gates, contracts a fleet of seaworthy boats for refugees in Indonesia, charging only standard fares, a few hundred dollars, to get to Australia. Would that still qualify people to be accepted in Australia ?

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 7:33:19 AM
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Aidan,

Your conjecture about allowing in asylum seekers that come in sea worthy boats is purely hypothetical as it has not happened yet. You forget that transporting illegal immigrants is still a serious offense. The boats that arrive are confiscated and destroyed, and the crew imprisoned for 5 years. No self respecting people smuggler is going to waste money on a good boat and crew, or only put the designed 20 people on board when he can fit 80.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 10:25:33 AM
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SM, some of the boats were seaworthy, it is just that when the navy
turns up they scuttle them, so they become "sinking boats".

There is one thing that you can be sure of, if they are in a boat they will be lying.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 10:57:58 AM
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