"At least Labor asks what the nation wants in terms of policy, and then the union bosses controlling the factions decide what policy will apply and regardless of what the members think too"

There you are, fixed it for you.

How long must we have to wait for a major party to stop trying to deter refugees and instead try to profit from them?

Bill is simply trying to get rid of some of Labor's stinking baggage.

The vote losers are:

1 Debt
2 Carbon tax
3 Boats
4 Union corruption.

By chucking "asylum seekers" over board Bill thinks that maybe Labor won't be in opposition for a decade again.

The vote losers for the liberals are:-

1 Broken promises far too numerous to list
2 Abbott and his 3 word slogans
3 No vision for the future
4 Debt still increasing under liberals
5 Lack of fairness in budgets
6 Austerity policies
7 Treating the voters like mushrooms
8 A perception they only care about the big end of town.
9 Dubious travel allowances
10 Refusal to accept climate change
11 Trying to kill off renewable energy
12 Unemployment higher than under labor

It will be really interesting if a few of the more important policies do get the nod at this conference. I will enjoy watching some of the more reasonable lefties wrestle with the dilemma of changing their so often promoted ideas & beliefs to keep in line with their party policy.

It will of course be fun watching the ratbag lefties, some who have already posted here, squirm. I have often wondered how so many can hold all the ridiculous ideas of Labor/greens today.

I also find the names of many of the left rather interesting. Tanya Plibersek, Annastacia Palaszczuk do not have much of a Anglo ring.

This country suffered for too long due to Anglo politicians considering the UK as "home" & developing policies showing their loyalty to the UK was at least equal to their loyalty to Oz. It cost many Australians their lives.

From their position on illegal boat people, it is becoming obvious many lefties have very split loyalties. We have some loyalty to a different group of "home" countries, or regions. This will cost many Australians their well being, & some, perhaps many, their lives

There is no way anyone could believe admitting large numbers of illegals or real refugees is in any way advantageous to the existing population. A few may gain financial advantage from this flood, & some dumb politicians may see it as an easy way to generate growth, even at a cost to the existing population, but none could believe it improved anything here.

Warmair,

I gave policy areas that Labor have issues, you came up with your opinion of why you don't like the libs.

That Labor has lied consistently to the voters is on the record. Note that KRudd before 2007 promised to continue the pacific solution with boat turn backs if necessary, Just as Juliar promised no carbon tax.