Rhian

"Yep, that’s my point."

Your point being what exactly?

Hi JKJ

Several points, I suppose:

- the cost of treating asylum seekers badly is probably much higher than treating them well.
- if you want people to own the negative consequences of the things they advocate, you should also allow them to share the benefits
- not everyone who advocates a different approach to asylum seekers is grandstanding or making vacuous claims on other people’s tax dollars

And, in a tongue-in-cheek way, to show that a libertarian/non-coercive/free market solution to the problem is not a straightforward as we might think (though I think Yuyistu comes close with the open borders + no government support model).

And Yuyistu
Yes it has crossed my mind, which is why I made the point earlier about the link between the USA having more tolerance for illegal immigration and less government support for migrants than other developed economies.

I don’t think open borders would gain traction here, because the negative flow-on effects to the existing population and to the environment could be large and hard to manage.

Then there is hope for you yet, Susieonline. Turn away from the Dark Side and return to your people.

Hi Rhian,

Hasn't it occurred to you yet that the policy of paying off boat crews may have stopped the boats for good ? Stopped dead.

No more boats.

No more boat-people.

No more people paying smugglers for nothing.

So, wait for reports of would-be refugees leaving Indonesia for their home countries.

Right, so now we can get back to the issues of bringing genuine refugees here direct from those dreadful camps, people who have done all the right things, filled out the forms, and waited.

Ten years.

Fifteen years.

Twenty years.

Ghastly, but at least, with no more queue-jumpers: they now have a chance.

With sixty million refugees around the world now, what do you think is a reasonable number of genuine refugees settling in Australia each year ? Twenty thousand ? Fifty thousand ? A hundred thousand ?

Hard choices :(

Joe

Loudmouth, you know as well as I do that most of the usual suspects on this forum don't want ANY of the asylum seekers we are discussing coming either on the boats, or from the refugee camps.
Why? Because they are non-white and non-Christian.

We really have no idea whether the boats have actually stopped setting out for Australia or not, do we? This Government won't tell us.

How many boatloads of refugee men, women and children do you think it is ok to turn back out to sea, to either die at sea, or be persecuted or killed back at their homelands?

Is it ok to allow them to die if we believe they are 'economic refugees' rather than 'genuine refugees'?

How many do we deliberately allow to die for the greater good of not having 'too many' come to try for asylum in Australia?

No one is suggesting we have an open door policy for all and sundry to immigrate here, but we should not be sending people to their death.
We should process them as per any asylum seeker arrival.

If we don't, are we any better than the terrorist governments etc that they are fleeing from?

Susie
'Loudmouth, you know as well as I do that most of the usual suspects on this forum don't want ANY of the asylum seekers we are discussing coming either on the boats, or from the refugee camps.
Why? Because they are non-white and non-Christian.'

as one of the resident Christophobes Susie you show as usual you have no idea.