The reason I'm ignoring you is because you're nitpicking at me so you can find some reason to abuse me, and you've already said you hope I die.
If you have some information you'd like to share then come out and say it, don't let me stop you.
Just don't expect me to put the noose around my own neck for you after you have abused me.

How bout you answer my question too?
How much compassion do the Jewish people deserve if they themselves helped to provoke that war with Germany?

Because for me right...

Germany and Israel are sitting in a bar.
Germany is a big strong bloke of 110kgs.
Israel is a little bloke of 65kgs.

In the case that -

Germany comes over for no reason and starts pushing Israel around, who was just minding his business sipping his beer quietly.

- Then I stick up for Israel.

But in the case that -

Little Israel comes into the bar shooting his mouth off saying "Germany I am going to give you an ass-whooping you won't soon forget."
- And Germany slowly gets up off his chair goes over to Israel and punches him out cold.

Then Israel gets what he deserved for getting lippy and shooting his mouth off..

The suffering of innocent Jews and others is not lost on me, I'm not inhumane.
But you should take it up with the Zionist leaders, who caused the problems not blame everyone else.

I don't support what Hitler did.
If I saw Jews as a threat to the nation I'd have simply kicked you all out.

You're trying to lay blame after the fact.

//The reason I'm ignoring you is because//

You don't want to admit you've ever been wrong about anything, ever. Religious fundamentalists argue the same way.

//How much compassion do the Jewish people deserve if they themselves helped to provoke that war with Germany?//

What, by being Jewish? The Shoah was not a war against the Jewish people: it was genocide, a crime against humanity and the antithesis of jus ad bellum (the right to go to war) and jus in bello (right conduct within war).

//Little Israel comes into the bar shooting his mouth off saying "Germany I am going to give you an ass-whooping you won't soon forget."
- And Germany slowly gets up off his chair goes over to Israel and punches him out cold.

Then Israel gets what he deserved for getting lippy and shooting his mouth off.//

This might be a valid analogy if the state of Israel had existed prior to WWII, but it wasn't created until 1948. A more accurate analogy would go a bit like this:

Germany is sitting in a bar but Israel isn't there because he hasn't been born yet. Germany is in the mood to punch somebody, and there are bunch of Jews sitting quietly by themselves in a corner trying to avoid the persecution that they are used to. Germany decides they're a bunch of weirdoes and take it upon himself to coward-punch the weirdo out of them. Thankfully a bunch of burly Allies are sitting in the bar watching this disgusting display of cowardly bullying, and step in to give Germany a fair kicking. And there is much rejoicing.

//But you should take it up with the Zionist leaders, who caused the problems//

No, the Nazis caused the problems. You are victim-blaming. I hear the same language used about rape: 'it's all the woman's fault, she was behaving provocatively, she caused the problem'. No, it was the rapist cünt that caused the problem. Blaming Jews for the Shoah or rape-victims for rape is like saying victims of home invasions only have themselves to blame because live in a house.

It's stupid and offensive.

//You're trying to lay blame after the fact.//

Yes. Laying blame before the fact violates causality and logic.

Armchair Critic

Just look in the mirror.

You're a low life drop kick.

While the maps I cited show plainly that the "Jewish homeland" of Israel dictated by the UN after the Nakba has been merely a foothold from which the Zionist racists have grabbed the rest of Palestine from the sea to the Jordanian border, I must rebut claims that "the Jews" (whatever that term is supposed to mean) started the two world wars.

It's plain massively recorded historical fact that only an idiot or a neoNazi would deny that the Krauts, not "the Jews", launched both wars on the world, all on their own. The first began when they attacked Belgium which was not at war and the second began when they stormed into Poland which was not at war. The objective of the attack on Belgium was to seize a corridor for aggression against France and the objective of the attack on Poland was to grab a corridor for aggression against the nations to the east for Lebensraum.

For World War II the best confirming references include Hitler's "Mein Kampf" (available from Amazon) and the top secret meeting of key Nazis in May 1939 plotting aggression against their neighbours to the east and west (http://library2.lawschool.cornell.edu/donovan/pdf/Batch_2_pdfs/Vol_IV_8_04.pdf ). The aggresionn against Belgium was all over the media of the day and in accounts in Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britannica. An excellent accpount of this crime is at http://www.bl.uk/world-war-one/articles/civilian-atrocities-german-1914 - something for apologists to read to know why Versailles was far, far too lenient.

Toni,
Israel's creation in 1948 relates to a border on a map.
Its land, not people.

The people most certainly did exist before that.

So explain this to me then.

http://google.com.au/search?q=judea+declares+war+on+germany&biw=1920&bih=969&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=2BaTVffHJ47c8AXK7qHgDw&sqi=2&ved=0CBwQsAQ&gws_rd=ssl#gws_rd=ssl&imgrc=_

Please note the headlines.

JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY
All the Jews Of The World Unite

There's your provocation.
That right there is Israel going into the bar shooting his mouth off.

Somebody else mentioned Pot, Kettle, Black

Please Note:

BOYCOTT GERMAN GOODS
BOYCOTT ALL GERMAN GOODS
BOYCOTT GERMAN INDUSTRY
DON'T BUY GERMAN GOODS

(So it's alright for Israel to boycott other countries when it feels it's necessary, but when others do it to Israel then it's anti-semitic.
Just exactly how the hell you people abusing me are going to come up with some bs excuse for that I'm not sure.)

I expect more calls of racist anti-semite, maybe try to answer the question with more questions or attack the person who said it.

Lets go one step further - and ask the question
"Did Jews have reason to upset with Germany?"

I'd say that most certainly they were being discriminated against and victimised.

But by the same token you must afford Germans the same concession.
So we go back further.

"Did Germany have reason to be upset with Jews?"
Most certainly they did.

After the Germans had virtually won WW1 in 1916, Zionists made a deal with Britain to bring the US into the war.

This cost the German people the war and left them in dire suffering with virtually unpayable reparations.

So the German people did have reason to be angry at the Jews.

** And just remember it was all you pro-Jewish big mouth's.
- That wanted to attack me because I said Israel isn't interested in a 2 state solution and that I'm sick and tired of hearing about it.
You should've accepted my opinion and left it there.