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Magna Carta barely makes it 800 years in Australia : Comments
By Kuranda Seyit, published 19/6/2015Draconian laws are being rushed through parliament that will effectively turn the concept that all men are equal before the law on its head.
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Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 21 June 2015 3:39:46 PM
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B Jelly,
"Our laws traditionally assume people are innocent until proven guilty. This law reverses that - people will be considered guilty until proven innocent." That is so in theory but not in practice. There was wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the Greens, in NSW, frothed at the mouth when the Shooters' Party (as it then was) successfully brought a Bill to Parliament, that the onus of proof be put upon the prosecution where persons were claiming self defence. The Greens called it a licence to murder; needless to say none of their dire predictions came about. In practice one is guilty unless one has the money for an expensive defence. Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 21 June 2015 3:44:46 PM
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"I wonder if Craig or BJelly would supply us with a list the "many ordinary everyday activities are becoming more difficult or even illegal"."
Well, in some country towns it is no longer possible to breed one's hens as the keeping of a rooster is illegal. Seems that some of the retired people from the cities don't like the sounds of the country. The northern NSW town of Glen Innes was founded in 1852 and in 2012 the Rooster Ban came into effect; 160 years of crowing gone for nowt. Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 21 June 2015 3:55:45 PM
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Hi Craig Minns
I'm willing to call a truce and let bygones be bygones if you are. Regards Pete Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 21 June 2015 4:14:38 PM
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I love your "reasoning", BJelly. Australia's enemies are not ISIS, Al Qaida, Jemaah Islamiah, or Boko Haram, the real enemies are Tony Abbot and his Immigration Minister.
It is not against the law for an elected government minister to either bestow or take away the citizenship of dual nationals. He already has that power and he need not ask a court for permission. The stripping of citizenship for dual nationals fighting with an enemy state against Australia is automatic and already law. I am tired of explaining to you that the only difference today is that private armies in countries who's rulers are not recognised, do not legally met the definition of a "state." If you are a Muslim who left Australia and went to an ISIS or Nusra Front area, then you did not go as a tourist to view the Roman ruins at Palmyra. You must be thinking of applying for membership of the bar if you think that Australia should be governed by the judiciary. I see that one ISIS recruiter in Australia who has been charged with terrorism offenses is already taking his case to the High Court. Shades of Man Haron Monis who did the same thing and was granted legal aid by the bureaucrats who just love throwing away taxpayer money defending terrorist loonies. I wonder how many millions in legal fees this is going to cost us? The lawyers would support your proposal to the hilt. 130 "Australian" terrorists in Syria ringing up their lawyers and getting legal aid to fight their cases for having their citizenship revoked. And you support them? The society I want to live in is a fee society where I don't have to worry about being blown to bits on a bus or a train, or having my head sawn off by some imported religious nutter screaming "Allah Akbar!" One group of arrested terrorists in Australia had been planning to behead a random victim in Martin Place, at the same time that I was going through there every morning to go to work. Posted by LEGO, Monday, 22 June 2015 5:36:54 AM
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Hi conservative Hippie,
To answer your questions:I wonder if Craig or BJelly would supply us with a list the "many ordinary everyday activities are becoming more difficult or even illegal". "Girl's lemonade stand shut down by WA council over health and safety concerns" http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-23/bunbury-girls-lemonade-stand-closed-by-council/5985992 "Single mum faces $200,000 fine over kids' cubby which need 'planning approval'" http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/single-mum-faces-200000-fine-over-kids-cubby-which-need-planning-approval/story-fnhocxo3-1226690332078 "Dad forced to apply for approval from Mitcham Council to keep kids’ cubby house" http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/east-hills/dad-forced-to-apply-for-approval-from-mitcham-council-to-keep-kids-cubby-house/story-fni9lkyu-1227234514314 "A Parkinson woman fined by Brisbane City Council for parking in her driveway is fighting back" http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/a-parkinson-woman-fined-by-brisbane-city-council-for-parking-in-her-driveway-is-fighting-back/story-e6frg6n6-1226768146038 "Adelaide councils ban car 'For sale' signs" http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/adelaide-councils-ban-car-for-sale-signs/story-e6frea83-1225864047471 There is more, but you get the idea. Posted by BJelly, Monday, 22 June 2015 5:17:03 PM
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"drop a bomb on the nearest Mosque and she'll be sweet"
should be of concern.
Are you suggesting it for which Australian mosques - in Melbourne or Sydney?