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It's time for a new strategy : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 10/6/2015

I do not believe, however, that the resumption of bilateral Israeli-Palestinian negotiations with US mediation alone will succeed any more than the two previous efforts.

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“How much of OUR lives have been wasted sitting through all the news stories…"
"You do realise that you can switch to another channel, right? Rather than wasting your valuable time on all those news stories? There’s always the OFF switch too. What’s next? Soccer fans complaining about all those soccer games they were made to watch?"

Yes, of course I can change the channel.
But the corporate news is usually just the same on that channel too.
This Israel / Palestine conflict has been going on more or less continually for the last 70 years like the never ending story.

I think the things I said were pretty valid.
I am sick and tired of hearing about it.

But for you to attack me simply because I choose not to turn a blind eye and ignore the whole thing like most other people do says more about you, and not me.

US puppet rulers?
What do you think they did in Iraq? In Libya? In Yemen? IN UKRAINE??
In Iran?? In Chile?? and dozens of other countries since WW2??

"Please provide examples, and explain how your examples are different to any other war fought from the dawn of humanity to the present."

What is this? The stasi? North Korea?
Look how irritional you pro-israel people react simply because I dare to say "I'm sick and tired of this Israel / Palestine thing?"
You try to answer questions with more questions and turn it around and try to kill the messenger or make any irrational statement you can to try to stifle any criticism whatsoever.

Israel proovides medical aid to ISIS?
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/11/exclusive-israel-is-tending-to-wounded-syrian-rebels/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkey-and-israel-in-liaison-with-nato-are-supporting-the-islamic-state-isis-and-al-qaeda-terrorists-in-syria/5405188

“Israel commits war crimes against children”
Just google 'dead palentinian children', I'm sure you'll find something pretty quickly.
http://rt.com/news/173340-gaza-palestinian-children-killed/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10972390/Israel-strike-kills-four-boys-on-Gaza-beach-as-humanitarian-ceasefire-announced.html
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 13 June 2015 3:50:46 PM
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“Israel wants neither peace in the region nor a 2 state solution with Palestine”

Well thats pretty evident isnt it? The way they use the US to veto anything that stops any international support for Palestine and coerce and threaten and wave their arms around whinging and whining and involve themselves in other nations political affairs and lobbying and sending our politicians on free trips to Israel or whatever else they can do to buy a 'turn the other cheek' mentality while they continue to take land.

Exactly what kind of a moron do you take me for?

Its really ironic how they try to do to Palestinians after the way they claim they were treated in WW2.

"Is that why they offered some 95% of the land to a Palestinian State?"
Is that some kind of a joke?
Have you seen how the map of Israel and Palestine has changed since Israel was created?

It is true that Germany offered Israel Madagascar in 1940
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

"How exactly, in your opinion, have the Palestinians expressed their deep desire for peace?"
Of course they won't all say yes, there's plenty that question Israels existance in the first place. And they may have a case.
Palestine wont allow Israel to have security whilst Israel refuses to stop building illegal settlements.. Thats fair considering they are under occupation. And Israel says it wont stop the occupation or make a 2 state solution while Palestine keeps shelling Israel with bottle rockets which could very well be staged (previous examples given).

Israel has a financial interest in keeping the occupation going and is continuing to take more land deliberately making any 2 state solution impossible.

“America is controlled by…a heavy Jewish influence…”
Yes thats what I said. Have you heard of the Neocons?

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
Well it was deemed a hoax, but that funnily enough was by a Jewish Judge.
It doesnt matter if its true or not there are similarities.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 13 June 2015 3:53:03 PM
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A more disturbing document might be The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
https://archive.org/details/TheZionistPlanForTheMiddleEast
or A Clean Break - A New Strategy For Securing The Realm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm

Pretty disturbing when you look at current events and videos such as this:
General Wesley Clark announcing Seven Wars in Five Years.
http://youtu.be/9RC1Mepk_Sw

Now I could mention the subversion of British wealth by the Rothschilds, Jewish involvement in the killing and overthrow of the Russian Royal family and the creation of Communism, Creation of the Fed and control of US monetary and credit system and enslavement of the American People, Instigation of Wars, Misconceptions about Slavery and The Mafia, Enslavement of Nations under the global system of issuing countries their own currencies as a loan with interest, Control of Media, Banking, and Corporations, Funding and profiting from both sides of wars with a history of false flag attacks, Involvement in other countries politics, manipulation of all the financial markets...

Hey, Jewish Bankers Oppenheimer and Warburg even funded Hitler.
And don't try to tell me that a plan for getting Israel back wasn't discussed in the meeting of the first Zionist Conference in Basel in 1897.

Speaking of which - while on the topic of Germany - WW2 -
Death Camps Hoax which led to and is the foundation for the creation of the Israeli state?

Tell me, did Auschwitz not have: Hospital (including dental); Library; Theaters; Sculpture Class; Art Class; University with lectures on every topic; Cinema; Religious Facilities for all denominations; Swimming Pool; Sauna; Soccer Field; Fencing Classes; Up to 16 Orchestras; a Brothel and even a complaints office for inmates? Is it not true that inmates were paid, could be married and even had access to the Camp Post office?
Does that sound like a Death Camp to you?
Where is the Zyclon B residue on the walls of the so called gas chambers?
If he was a s bad as you make him out to be he would've gassed the Jews or shot them right there in the train carriages.

You are lucky I've run out of room...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 13 June 2015 3:55:19 PM
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Armchair critic,

Good grief, you really do believe in conspiracy theories.

You agree then, that Osama Bin Laden was a liar, when he said
on Aljazeera television to the whole world, that he was
behind the twin towers plane attack.

The Israeli,Arab conflict is the same as every other war
and conflict. Two tribes(bloodlines), one territory,country or land.

Human beings are as territorial as any other species on earth
and for the same reasons.
See Isis kill all the boy children and males. Now watch a male
lion do the same thing to the cubs of another male who's territory
and females he has just taken. Usually the male cubs run off first. sensing the danger.

There is no right or wrong in nature, the strongest take
the land and resources. Mankind doesn't like to see that
he too is a killer over land and territory, like the animals,
and cant understand why we are always at war.
Jews and Arabs---territorial dog fight over land and resources.
It's about survival on both sides
Nature is not judgemental or caring of who wins, just
lays down the laws of survival.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 13 June 2015 4:36:51 PM
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Critic:

"How about I begin answering your criticisms by bulldozing your house?"

There are two reasons for bulldozing a house in the Palestinian territories:

1. When building codes and regulations are not followed
2. When family members are involved in deadly terrorism

Having all the necessary council permits I'm confident my home conforms with all codes and regulations. That leaves option 2. Yes, you can bulldoze my home but only if I come over and blow up part of your family first.

Sorry, I can't see any connection between a rocket fired from Lebanon into Israel and the USS Liberty incident. Can you connect the dots for me? Lebanon, by the way, is not part of Palestine, it seems you were not aware of this inconvenient little fact when claiming "Israeli operatives in Palestine...firing rockets back into Israel"

"...the five dancing Israelis who filmed and witnessed it have been proven to be Mossad operatives..."

I don't know whether they were Mossad agents or not since the connection (of only 2 of them) was concluded, not proven. But since you mentioned five dancing Israelis on 9/11, it's only fair to also mention the hundreds of thousands of dancing Palestinians and the millions of other dancing Arabs throughout the Middle East in response to 9/11. But regardless of who did or did not choose to dance on September 11, there is far more credible evidence pointing to al-Qaeda as the party responsible for those attacks than to any other party.

"...you...attack me simply because I choose not to turn a blind eye and ignore the whole thing..."

You are missing the point. I was just pointing out how ridiculous your reason is for objecting to this conflict. "...OUR lives have been wasted sitting through all the news stories..." – don't sit through it then. I don't particularly enjoy synchronised swimming, so I don't watch it. Conversely, are you telling me that if you DID enjoy watching news stories about this conflict, then it's a good reason to keep the conflict alive – simply because it provides you with entertainment?

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Posted by Avw, Saturday, 13 June 2015 8:49:14 PM
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As for US puppet rulers, how much of a puppet did the Shah turn out to be? Or most of the other rulers supported by the US?
Of course they provide support to those deemed most helpful to their cause. Would you expect them to do the opposite? How is it different to any other world power? Say Russia for example?

"You try to answer questions with more questions and turn it around and try to kill the messenger..."

No. I am trying to stop you from making unfounded accusations without bothering to back them up.

Regarding medical aid to ISIS: Israel provides medical assistance to any injured Syrians who cross the border, regardless of their affiliation. That's a humanitarian mission, not quite the sensational headline you are trying to make it out to be. Would you prefer the Israelis to let those injured Syrians die? I can imagine your cries of outrage if that happened.

Regarding the alleged war crimes against children: regrettably there were indeed incidents were civilians, including children, were killed or injured. You also need to acknowledge the responsibility of Hamas, placing rocket launchers and munition in schools, hospitals, and other civilian centres, thereby making them valid military targets. There are examples of Israeli strikes aborted in the last minutes because civilians were present in the strike zone. As stated by Jim Molan, a retired major-general in the Australian Army, "I can say that Israel's prosecution of Operation Protective Edge not only met a reasonable international standard of observance of the laws of armed conflict, it ­exceeded them significantly, often at cost to Israeli soldiers and citizens". A far cry from any claims of war crimes.

The death of civilians is an unfortunate side effect of every war fought since the dawn of time. How was this war any different? Why do the actions of the IDF need to be sensationally hailed as was crimes, when every single war ever fought also caused the death of civilians, including children?

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Posted by Avw, Saturday, 13 June 2015 9:01:47 PM
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