Poverty is insoluble in many third world societies because people and cultures are not equal.

The western world became the most prosperous in the world because the North European Protestant people were a generally intelligent race who were the first to realise the benefit of making governments secular, and to prefer scientific methodology over superstition.

Many of us old enough to remember know that the Asian people were once poorer than the Muslims are today. But the Asians, who are even generally more intelligent than the white North Europeans, are now becoming the leading economic forces in the world. Amazingly, they did it all by themselves without the endless aid money which will forever flow into Africa. Communist China was once extremely poor, but since it has finally given up on the Socialist religion and embraced free market thinking, it has become the second largest economy in the world.

Prosperity and poverty is very closely related to intellect. Smart people and smart cultures are prosperous, and dumb people with dumb cultures are poor. What is more, is that dumb people breed a lot faster than smart people, so the idea of ending poverty is a pipe dream.

One can only wonder at what the world would look like if the Asians had the oilfields of the Arabs? But even with their oilfields, the Arabs and the Muslims generally are going nowhere. Their Muslim faith is the primary impediment to their advancement although their apparent lack of intelligence seems to be another factor. It is just like the stories we hear of dumb lottery winners blowing all their money in a few years of profligate spending and ending back on the dole.

As for black people generally, sadly, their generally very low levels of intelligence have condemned them to poverty forever. 60 years of UN aid have and western dole money simply made them dependent on that money and their populations continue to grow beyond control. Their only hope is to get on a boat and get into a western country where they will become a crime and welfare problem forever.

Most of these people are so poor because they are too damn bone idle to get off the butt to do anything but breed.

I get so annoyed when I see these con job aid agencies showing the great work they are doing with the millions they collect from simple minded, if very kind people, & our government.

One of their favourites is a bunch of laughing kids, pumping water from a borehole they have provided, with a hand pump. The idea is we have saved the world with clean water.

If you can pump water with a hand pump, it is from a shallow water table, no more than 32Ft deep maximum to the pump head. It is a simple task for anyone to dig a well to get that water.

I had dug 2 of those before I was 11 years old, me digging down the hole & my father pulling the dirt up in a bucket. In 40s & 50s Oz, if you lived even a mile or so out of town, & wanted water, you dug a well. You still do in most of rural Oz today.

In my area 800 homes have tanks & wells or bores, or no water. Most of Oz is the same for us if you are not aboriginal on an out station. Once we have supplied all Oz citizens with clean water, & a lot of other things city folk take for granted, it will be time to look to what we can do for anyone.

Hi Hasbeen,

If the Africans were allowed to extract and gain wealth from their own resources they would be wealthy. However the resources and wealth of Africa are extracted by mulinational corporations with the support of military (Military Industrial Complex). And if Africans fight back they get killed.

Remember how Gina Rinehart was saying we are competing against miners in Africa working for $2 a day? Well, we saw in the 2012 Marikana killings in South Africa, what happens when they demand better wages, 34 were shot, many in the back, by the police.

Remember what happened with Shell in Nigeria? When people protested they were killed, including the writer and activist, Ken Saro-Wiwa who hanged by the military dicatorship in 1995.

Remember Gaddafi? He took one of Africa's poorest countries in the 1970s and made it Africa's wealthiest country. It was debt free with billions in reserve, until he was killed in 2011. Now it is a failed state. That is what happens if you defy the corporatocracy - your country gets bombed to save it - we call it humanitarian intervention (Responsibility to Protect). Then its previously nationalised resources are ripe for corporations to take them over.

We haven't learnt how to bomb people into democracy, but we have learnt we can use military action to free up resources, and our humanitarian zeal suddenly disappears.

One third of Libyans have fled since our humanitarian intervention. We just want them to go back. We don't want to know about the hell we unleashed. The Eu and US did however, take billions of dollars of Libya's wealth to keep in trust.

"LIA had deposited $32 billion in U.S. banks...February 28, the U.S. Treasury “froze” these accounts. According to official statements, this is “the largest sum ever blocked in the United States,” which Washington held “in trust for the future of Libya.” It will in fact serve as an injection of capital into the U.S. economy, which is more and more in debt. A few days later, the EU “froze” around 45 billion Euros of Libyan funds."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/financial-heist-of-the-century-confiscating-libya-s-sovereign-wealth-funds-swf/24479

Hi Hasbeen.

Like you, I can only cringe at the "logic" of BJelly. I know he is directing his attack on you, but I saw him first, so I get first crack at him.

To begin with, BJelly, Africans are lucky to find any investor stupid enough to invest in their dysfunctional, corrupt, and violent societies. Mining companies prefer stable democracies like Australia to invest their billions. The last thing they want is to have their investments "nationalised" (another word for "stolen") like that which occurred in Chile and Iran. The Africans can't do it themselves, because they are too backward and dysfunctional and they always will be. They need outside help so that the resource can be exploited and then they can fight and kill each other over who gets the royalties. See the example of oil rich South Sudan right now.

Oh and I remember Ghaddafi. He was a complete crackpot who managed to murder his way to the top in Libya, and he dressed up in outfits that would make even Michael Jackson cringe. He became top dog in Libya and gave the place some stability which was a good thing for investors, because most of these third world cesspits are so dysfunctional and tribal that they can't even build roads without importing a bunch of Vietnamese road builders. He drowned his country in imported weaponry which is now in the hands of every Jihadi slave owner terrorist group in Africa.

Khadafy decided to start a proxy war with Europe by supporting every terrorist group in Europe from the IRA, to the Red Brigades, and the Baader-Meinhoff gang. He went too far when he used his agents to bomb and kill US citizens in commercial airliners and in nightclubs, so the yanks put an airstrike on Tripoli using carriers and F-111's out of RAF Lossiemouth. That scared the ever lovin' shiit out of him and he behaved himself from then on. But he ran out of friends when his own people turned on him and the Euros were happy to help his own people kill him.

Hi Lego,

Gaddafi was no saint, but his government proved that Africans could rule themselves successfully. Prior to our "liberation", Libya was a wealthy independent African nation. It was able to extract its own resources and shared the wealth among the people. It was gave humanitarian aid to other African countries.

Libya was a secular Muslim majority country where women could vote, study, work. There was subsidized housing, free childcare, free healthcare, free education, even free electricity. I'm sure there were things that could have been improved, but I think even you would have to agree, that sounds like a pretty good deal.

1/3 of the population have fled since 2011 - that tells you how bad it is now. But when was the last time you heard a Libyan voice in the media? When did the media ever say that Libya was the wealthiest African country before we liberated it? I know I didn't find out from our media. Check it out.
http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/economies/Africa/Libya-POVERTY-AND-WEALTH.html

Gaffafi's biggest crime, was not co-operating with the corporatocracy. Gaddafi wanted to create a Pan African coalition, and move away from trading in US dollars. (As did Iraq, Iran, and North Korea - this was the link between the so called "axis" of evil - they were never an axis - that implies an alliance - there was certainly no alliance between Iran and Iraq!) If countries start to trade in currencies other than the US dollar - the US is stuffed. Read up about petrodollars.

The West's closest buddy in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia a country that is an absolute monarchy. However, they have allowed the privatization of assets and services. Between 12-25%of Saudis live below the poverty line. Women are required to wear the black abaya. People are beheaded - I believe 80 or so this year so far. Some for the "crimes" of sorcery and apostacy. It has funded Wahhabi Islam worldwide - it is recognized as the biggest supporter of Islamic terrorism in the world - and yet we don't bomb them - we sell arms to them. Weird huh?

Have you ever picked up a history book in your entire life, BJelly?

Libya in the early 19th century was just like Somalia is today, a country of pirates and slave traders who preyed upon western shipping entering the Mediterranean Sea. There predations were so bad, that even the British paid them off to stop them from attacking British ships and selling the crews and passengers into slavery.

It became an Italian colony and that was a god thing because the Ities are pretty good people, and they could not treat the locals any worse than the tribal leaders or the mullahs did.

Ghaddafi did not make the Libyans wealthy, the west did. For millennia, the Libyans had been plagued by a black, oily substance polluting their ground water wells. It was western civilisation which created the technology to create kerosene out of oil, and invent the kerosene lantern, the internal combustion engine, cars and aeroplanes. Suddenly, the Libyans realised that the black stuff they had been cursing for centuries was valuable.

Ghadaffi was in a enviable position for a military dictator. He had a country with boundless wealth and a very small population, so he could afford to pay off the entire population with freebies and keep them happy. But the idiot got grand designs and started supporting terrorist organisations in Europe. The wimpy Euros put up with it only because they needed Libyan oil.

And every tin pot Arab leader boasts about creating a pan Arab coalition. But will never get it because they can't stop fighting each other to become the top dog. They should rename the Suez canal "The Canal of Pan Arab Dreams". Because it goes from nowhere to nowhere.

How you can think that Ghadaffi was some sort of visionary is absolutely incredible. You only have to look at the getups he got around in and his harem done up in military uniforms to figure out very quickly that he was a complete fruitcake.